Re: [arch-d] ipv4 and ipv6 Coexistence.

Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com> Wed, 26 February 2020 10:22 UTC

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> 
> The vision of the transparent global Internet was a great vision to
> me until 1995 when the Internet population exploded and IMHO the 
> model started to fail. Since then, the mayority of TCP/IP hosts
> connects to the internet through some type of policy filtering,
> and the IETF has architecturally not really acknowledged
> that reality or the need for it. How are countries policing the
> Internet for their constituencies now any different from enterprises
> having done the same for decades for their constituencies ? What
> else but closing its eyes to the issue did the IETF do in the last 25
> years ?
> 
> And now its easy to see how a limited number of regulated
> "WWW service conglomerates" will happily claim to solve all policy
> requirements at their application/gateway level. Because IETF
> networking architecture has failed to evolve the "Internet" model to
> something a little more based on reality of human society than the
> original Internet garden of Eden model that is still canon.
> [/rant]

The following is a quote from the London Times newspaper today and is a statement by someone who’s prime mission these days is to prevent the British public being murdered by terrorists. 

"The head of MI5 has urged technology companies to give the security services “exceptional” access to encrypted messages to tackle the “wild west” of the internet.

"Sir Andrew Parker, 58, said that cyberspace needed to be policed in the same way as the physical world, where crimes had consequences. It was “increasingly mystifying” that intelligence officials were barred from reading secret messages shared between terrorist suspects, he told ITV News.

<snip>

"Challenging the notion that Britons were content to allow the cybersphere to be an “unregulated, inaccessible-to-authorities space”, he said that urgent change was needed.”

Now we can argue about the technology issues, but fundamentally we (the IETF) have washed our hands of need to transition the  Internet from a meeting point of fundamentally good people, to an environment in which all have accesses and the social norms are maintained through government action via the judicial system, i.e. the real world.

- Stewart