Re: [arch-d] [IAB] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-protocol-transitions> (Out With the Old and In With the New: Planning for Protocol Transitions)
S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> Wed, 11 January 2017 06:02 UTC
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Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 21:35:50 -0800
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Subject: Re: [arch-d] [IAB] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-protocol-transitions> (Out With the Old and In With the New: Planning for Protocol Transitions)
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Hi Martin, Eliot, At 17:27 10-01-2017, Martin Thomson wrote: >In my opinion, the question of whether you intend for the old version >to eventually disappear is usually a moot question for protocols. The >HDTV example might not apply here. I can't imagine we'd be looking to >reassign the meaning of version 4 in the IP header any time soon. > >Protocols either die or they don't and we only care to the extent that >we have to support them. They usually just die by degrees. For >instance, while we might want SSLv2 to disappear completely, that's >not something we worry about as long as we ourselves aren't exposed to >it (we still carry the code for SSLv3, but it's been given notice). I didn't catch Eliot's point about HDTV at first. In the field of software, the developers sometimes drop support for an old version of a protocol [1]. From a SSO perspective, the IETF is said to have an open maintenance process for its standards. Does that maintenance process apply to the obsolete version of the protocol? Does that maintenance process only apply to bug fixing or does it also comprise adding new features to the obsolete protocol? An observation about Bitcoin is included in Section 1 of the draft. Bitcoin is not an IETF technical specification or protocol. Bitcoin was described as "a peer-to-peer electronic cash system" [2]. The closest analogy, based on the arguments of an ITAT paper, is IPv6 as it comes with a built-in payment system. The Early-Adopters incentive(s) did not work for IPv6. How could the IETF provide a long-term advantage in its protocols? Did having the policy-making organizations mentioned by example in the draft make a significant difference [3] in turning the IPv6 transition into an example of a successful protocol transition? Is the IAB responsible for planning for transition for an IETF protocol? Regards, S. Moonesamy 1. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=807107 2. https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf 3. I am not sure about the meaning of "enabled" or "facilitated".
- Re: [arch-d] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-protoco… Eliot Lear
- Re: [arch-d] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-protoco… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [arch-d] [IAB] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-p… Lee Howard
- Re: [arch-d] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-protoco… Stewart Bryant
- Re: [arch-d] [IAB] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-p… Martin Thomson
- Re: [arch-d] [IAB] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-p… Eliot Lear
- Re: [arch-d] [IAB] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-p… Martin Thomson
- Re: [arch-d] [IAB] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-p… S Moonesamy
- Re: [arch-d] [IAB] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-p… Eliot Lear
- Re: [arch-d] [IAB] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-p… Ted Hardie
- Re: [arch-d] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-protoco… Paul Hoffman