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Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Wed, 11 November 2020 13:26 UTC

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From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2020 05:25:28 -0800
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To: "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" <rwilton=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [arch-d] <draft-lazanski-consolidation-00>
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 4:37 AM Rob Wilton (rwilton) <rwilton=
40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

I am more concerned about the loss of privacy that seems to be occurring at
> the application layer via extensive tracking of users and sharing of user
> information, rather than my perception of what is now occurring at the
> network layer.
>

The goals of reducing tracking at the application layer and at the network
layer are complementary, rather than in tension. And in fact, there is
extensive work happening on reducing application layer tracking (see, for
instance, Intelligent Tracking Protection [Safari] and Enhanced Tracking
Protection [Firefox]).

-Ekr

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