Re: [arch-d] How old is too old and what this means for product lifecycles? Re: [Last-Call] [TLS] Last Call: <draft-ietf-tls-oldversions-deprecate-09.txt> (Deprecating TLSv1.0 and TLSv1.1) to Best Current Practice
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Subject: Re: [arch-d] How old is too old and what this means for product lifecycles? Re: [Last-Call] [TLS] Last Call: <draft-ietf-tls-oldversions-deprecate-09.txt> (Deprecating TLSv1.0 and TLSv1.1) to Best Current Practice
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>> they can dump it on github > well chosen verb > now that github is owned by msoft, next year msoft ai will formally > verify and correct all the dren on github. w00t! and, of course, once msoft ai fixes the code, it will magically and securely distribute it to the 42 jillion deployed devices. via luftschweinza randy
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