Re: [arch-d] Centralization or diversity

Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> Wed, 08 January 2020 15:30 UTC

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From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2020 09:29:31 -0600
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Subject: Re: [arch-d] Centralization or diversity
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Hi, Tony,

On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 3:35 PM <tony.li@tony.li> wrote:

>
> It's not quite clear how to enforce this via the IETF, beyond the multiple
> interoperable implementations of RFC6410.
>
>
>
> The IETF has no police force, thankfully, so enforcement is out of
> question anyway.
>
> The good news, however, is that Murphy does have a police force and has
> demonstrated repeatedly that genetic diversity in a network is a Very Good
> Thing.
>
> Several ISPs who have learned this lesson the hard way have dual planar
> networks where plane 1 is all vendor A and plane 2 is all vendor B.
>
> Some others still have to learn this.  One of the good things that might
> come of this effort is to write this down.
>

Thanks - that was my hope :-)

Spencer


> Tony
>