Re: [Asdf] Corsano Health supports Non-IP device control

Nalini J Elkins <nalini_elkins@insidethestack.com> Fri, 15 March 2024 12:06 UTC

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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2024 12:06:42 +0000
From: Nalini J Elkins <nalini_elkins@insidethestack.com>
To: Eliot Lear <lear@lear.ch>, "Bart Brinckman (bbrinckm)" <bbrinckm=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>, Ali Marjovi <marjovi@gmail.com>, "asdf@ietf.org" <asdf@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Asdf] Corsano Health supports Non-IP device control
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Eliot,
Sure!  We are playing around with such devices ourselves.  What my thought is to relay information to a gateway and then maybe to a long range rather than near field network.  Do not know if I am making any sense to you.


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On Friday, March 15, 2024, 2:37 PM, Eliot Lear <lear@lear.ch> wrote:

 
Hi Nalini
 
NIPC is meant for BLE endpoints that have no IP stack at all, and requires no changes to those endpoints.
 
 
Eliot
 
 

 
 On 15.03.2024 01:47, Nalini J Elkins wrote:
  
 
 Guys, 
  This may not be interesting for you but we have been playing around with IPv6 over BLE on windows.  Please look at rfc7668.   One of the things about having a windows interface is that many more capabilities are then available. 
  If you will be in Brisbane and this is of interest, let’s arrange to talk.   
  Nalini 
 
 
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On Friday, March 15, 2024, 3:14 AM, Bart Brinckman (bbrinckm) <bbrinckm=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
 
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Hi Michael,
 
  
 
If you would allow me to jump in here…
 
SDF can represent IoT things in a way that makes them interoperable between IoT application eco-systems. In many of these eco-systems, applications can communicate directly with these things using protocols such as IP, however in other eco-systems, such as BLE and Zigbee, Applications that are IP based are not able to communicate directly to these non-ip protocols. We’d like an applications that consumes an SDF model to also be able to communcate with the thing that is defined in the model. For an application to consume an SDF model and from that model understand how to communicate with such a non-IP thing, we must extend the framework with a standardized transport definition for Non IP devices and we should provide a means to identify what is being transported within that framework.
 
  
 
Thanks,
 
  
 
Bart
 
  
 
  
     
From: ASDF <asdf-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
 Date: Wednesday, 13 March 2024 at 22:53
 To: Ali Marjovi <marjovi@gmail.com>, asdf@ietf.org <asdf@ietf.org>
 Subject: Re: [Asdf] Corsano Health supports Non-IP device control
   

 Ali Marjovi <marjovi@gmail.com> wrote:
     > Hi, I would like to express my support for the NIPC progress.
 
     > We at Corsano Health are implementing an application based on this
     > solution and we are interested in seeing nipc proceed.
 
 Perhaps you can say more: maybe explain how the SDF information model helps
 you in this effort.
 
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 Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
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