[Asrg] RE: Directing ASRG Activity
Paul Judge <paul.judge@ciphertrust.com> Wed, 07 May 2003 14:46 UTC
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From: Paul Judge <paul.judge@ciphertrust.com>
To: 'Yakov Shafranovich' <research@solidmatrix.com>, Paul Judge <paul.judge@ciphertrust.com>, 'IRTF Chair' <irtf-chair@ietf.org>
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Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 10:34:09 -0400
Yakov, I appreciate your feedback and your interest in contributing. There are a number of work items being pursued and ideas that have been proposed. However, overall it is difficult to identify the productive conversations as a newcomer and also difficult to follow them from there. I am very much aware of the guidelines in RFC 2014 and have been working diligently towards them including "ensuring the research group process and content management" as well as "moderating the research group email list". Please view the history of messages that I have posted on the mailing list and you will notice that I have set forth the work items of the ASRG and sought volunteers for each of these items. Some are actively being pursued while others are not. I also set forth a labeling technique to help people follow the different threads. Some participants used it while others decided not to comply. As far as flaming, in the past, I responded to such threads to the list to stop the debate. Recently, I have been responding to the involved parties off-list. Even in situations that are not flaming, but are individuals continuing to pursue unproductive conversation such as Dave Crocker's recent rants about RMX, I have held off-list conversations to move those debates off of the list until they turn productive. Recently, I began active moderation of certain participants using the mailing list software. The list of participants that are moderated in this manner will increase. Persons are not happy about being included on this list, however the productivity of this list is more important than my popularity on this list. The purpose of this group is to contribute to solving the spam problem. I realize that not everyone on this list has that as a priority; therefore, I will be more stringent in determining persons that are acting in a manner contrary to this goal and eliminate the negative effect that they have on this group. One issue is that when people make clearly erroneous claims that are unproductive, we, the productive members of this group, must refrain from being pulled into that conversation. Once such a debate begins, it is difficult to determine the victim. Another thing that we will have going soon is an active website for the group that contains all of the documents such as the list of work items, inventory of problems, requirements, the taxonomy, and the set of solutions that have been proposed. This will help everyone understand the status and focus of the group especially newcomers. This group has made progress thus far and this is just the beginning. Please remember that this group is only two months old. We did not expect to have the problem solved in two months. This group is not about pitching a random set of proposals and claiming that the problem is solved. Please understand from the charter that the phases of this group are: 1)understanding the problem, 2)proposing and gathering solutions, and 3)evaluting those solutions. We are positioned to have the most effect on the problem of any previous effort. We should understand that our members include a set of the largest ISPs, email server software providers, and virtually every anti-spam solution provider. This as well as the relationships with spam legal experts, email service providers, and anti-spam organizations creates a unique ability to affect the problem and we will. If anyone has any other ideas towards making this group as effective as possible, please send them directly to me. Also, if anyone wishes to volunteer to take a more active role in these activities such as summarizing threads etc., let me know. Regards, Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: Yakov Shafranovich [mailto:research@solidmatrix.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 8:25 AM > To: ASRG Chair; IRTF Chair > Cc: Asrg@ietf.org; jmunoz@ietf.org > Subject: Directing ASRG Activity > > > I just have been a member of the mailing list for a few days > and what I > have seen appalled me. It seems that a small "clique" of > people are the > only ones participating, and half of their discussions are > squabbles and > personal attacks against each other. It is very hard to get > any word in or > any meaningful discussion to be held. > > Hereby in accordance with RFC 2014 ("IRTF Research Group > Guidelines"), > section 5.1 and 5.3, I would like to formally request that > the IRTF and > ASRG Chairs steps in and starts directing the working group. > Below is the > relevant section from the RFC: > _______________________________________________ Asrg mailing list Asrg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg
- [Asrg] Directing ASRG Activity Yakov Shafranovich
- Re: [Asrg] Directing ASRG Activity Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine
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- [Asrg] RE: Directing ASRG Activity Paul Judge
- Fwd: [Asrg] RE: Directing ASRG Activity Yakov Shafranovich
- Re: [Asrg] RE: Directing ASRG Activity Scott Nelson
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