Re: [Asrg] Do-Not-Call list launch E-mails

Daniel Feenberg <feenberg@mail1.nber.org> Thu, 26 June 2003 21:05 UTC

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From: Daniel Feenberg <feenberg@mail1.nber.org>
To: gep2@terabites.com
cc: rmcallahan@att.com, asrg@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Asrg] Do-Not-Call list launch E-mails
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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 17:03:07 -0400


On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 gep2@terabites.com wrote:

> Regardless of how desirable you think your offering is, the bottom line is that 
> your "millions" of E-mails you plan to send ARE unsolicited E-mails, and thus 
> ARE spam.
> 

I think the original message was fairly clear that the messages would only
be sent to people signing up on the web page for call blocking, so they
are solicited. If AT&T were to send messages to random people asking if
they wanted the service, that would be unsolicited.

The original posting mentioned "millions of messages" because they
assume that millions of people will visit the web page to request calls be 
blocked.





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