Re: [Asrg] More 'pay per' foolishness

Jim Whitescarver <jim@xanthus.net> Thu, 30 December 2004 23:59 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Asrg] More 'pay per' foolishness
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It is unfair that a few network abusers consume much of the bandwidth.  
But we want profitable use of the network.  Those that use an obscene 
excess of our shared resources should pay.

My comments are more of the philosophical side, on how should spam be 
paid for in a free market.

I block IP addresses after just one spam.  I block groups of 256 IP 
addresses with 3 or more offending IP addresses.

I punish them to protect my systems from overload.  But it they would 
pay me, I be happy to unblock them.

It would be good, in principle, for those who used an excesses of our 
resources would pay those using less than their share. In the spirit of 
commercial television, the advertisers could pay for the whole system

We all have the power to block or unblock, but there is no standard for 
payment for unblocking.

Many advertisers now balking at email advertising may use it if they 
could be assured they will not be blocked or sued.  There is a social 
cost to spam, our time, our computing resources and networks.  
Advertising on the Internet saves money and resources.  An added cost of 
a penny for an add the recipient actually received, for example, would 
still be a small fraction of printing and postage costs.

What does it cost?  The only reasonable choice is free market value.  I 
am currently blocking over four million IP addresses from reaching about 
400 real email accounts.   I have no choice really, except to upgrade my 
email server.  If I were to open the flood gates, my server will become 
overloaded by spam filters and crash.  Everyone we get to this point if 
spam continues to grow exponentially.

I doubt many of the IP addresses I block are legitimately following the 
can spam requirements and should be blocked.  But some of them, and many 
other businesses wanting to reach our users pay to get theory message 
across.  To make the system scalable they must pay for the resources 
they utilize.

I could handle about four times as much email with about a $500 per 
month upgrade.  That come out to about 3/10 of a cent per added email.  
Your millage may vary, but unless these economics are provided for the 
system will fail.  Scalable economics will promote growth and 
stability.  We all have the power to block and unblock, and do so 
profitable for advertisers and networks collaboratively.  There should 
be a standard, but it will be the marketplace that decides ultimately.  
Some system like this must emerge so that our networks can sustain growth.

Jim



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