Re: [Asrg] More 'pay per' foolishness

John Levine <asrg@johnlevine.com> Fri, 31 December 2004 16:59 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Asrg] More 'pay per' foolishness
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>John - I'm saying that the capabilities are in place. Do you 
>understand how peering between large network entities works? 

You've said that some large ISPs have routers that can count the
packets per port, which I believe.  That's fine, that's the first 2%
of a billing system.

>I've classified this as "an idea". If it was already "in place" it
>would be "fact". But to answer your question, companies call people
>and ask for their money all the time. What makes this different?

The fact that the other 98% doesn't exist.  Every phone switch ever
built includes facilities to meter the calls.  If you're going to bill
people for mail traffic, you need metering in every router, and it's
not there.  I can even believe that you might be able to aggregate the
metering info using SS7, if you could deal with the security issues
involved in attaching thousands of routers from thousands of ISPs to
it, but the underlying data collection at the edges isn't there.

Using the packet to enforce quotas is a lot easier, and it'd be just
as effective to deal with spam.  Why add all of the extra complication
of passing money around?

R's,
John

PS: Does anyone have any stats of the number of phone switches in the
US or the world compared to the number of Internet routers?  My
impression is that there's a lot more routers, but it'd be nice to see
some data.


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