Re: [Asrg] 3. Proof-of-work analysis
der Mouse <mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> Tue, 18 May 2004 10:27 UTC
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Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 05:48:37 -0400
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>> That works currently against spamware that pipelines illegally. > Problem is that there are lots of people using these techniques for > good reason. Problem? What problem? I am quite happy to reject mail from people who think they deserve to be exempted from the RFCs that apply to everyone else (such as the ones that forbid non-negotiated SMTP pipelining), no matter how good they think their reasons. > 'illegal' is a poor choice of language, SMTP is not an act of > parliament, I disagree here too. `Illegal' is commonly used (in computer contexts and even some non-computer contexts, such as chess) to mean "in violation of applicable rules" even when those rules do not take the form of mundane law. Would you object to saying that an attempt to move a knight as if it were a bishop in chess is an "illegal move"? That certain machine-code bit patterns constitute "illegal instructions"? This is the sense in which ratware pipelines "illegally". > If you need to send out a million mails to your customers as Ebay > does every day you cannot wait around a minute while someone's idiot > sendmail script runs. If you think you're somehow "above" the RFCs, you not only _deserve_ to have your mail refused, you _will_ have your mail refused - at rates that increase with the perceived severity of the violation. "But I need to send out more than my machine can handle if I have to follow the rules" will be, quite properly, answered with "then get more machines". Being big does not exempt you from the rules, no matter how much organizations like your email provider might wish it did. /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B _______________________________________________ Asrg mailing list Asrg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg
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