Re: [Asrg] Introduction and another idea
Vernon Schryver <vjs@calcite.rhyolite.com> Tue, 17 June 2003 20:06 UTC
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From: Vernon Schryver <vjs@calcite.rhyolite.com>
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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:21:39 -0600
> From: gep2@terabites.com > ... > The point being that spam is at least 3-5x bulkier, FAR more difficult to > identify, and far more dangerous, if it can incorporate (1) HTML, (including > clickable hotlinks, images, scripting, and so forth), (2) attachments (virtually > all worms and viruses are based on attachments), and (3) base64 or other > encoding. ... I can sympathize with (1 and can almost agree with (2), but (3) is wrong. Base64 and quoted-printable encoding do not increase the size of mail by much. They themselves carry no risks of nasty content. Finally, they provide no cover for the nasty stuff except from naive, simplistic, and broken-by design filters and other defenses. All reasonable filters decode Base64, Quoted-Printable, and even HTML &-numeric and &-name character references. %-decoding is also straightforward and on its way to being de facto standard for filters that are not practically useless toys. > relatively small number of senders for any given recipient who can send them > mail containing those things. ... If not today then soon most users of email have only the alternatives of receiving mail in languages and character sets they don't understand or receiving mail encoded with Base64 or quoted-printable mail. That I use a 20 year-old MUA that cannot encode Base64 or QP at all, cannot decode QP at all, and cannot really decode Base64, and that I receive legitimate encoded mail about once a month is irrelevant. That I must start special systems and copy files among them to send encoded documents that other people demand matters to no one except me. My situation and preferences and the situations and preferences of old farts like me are irrelevant to the vast majority of users and so irrelevant here. Vernon Schryver vjs@rhyolite.com _______________________________________________ Asrg mailing list Asrg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg
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