Re: 6. Proposal - Sender Pays (was RE: [Asrg] Forbes: Pay up )

Yakov Shafranovich <research@solidmatrix.com> Wed, 16 July 2003 01:39 UTC

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Subject: Re: 6. Proposal - Sender Pays (was RE: [Asrg] Forbes: Pay up )
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 21:36:03 -0400

At 06:19 PM 7/15/2003 -0400, mathew wrote:

>On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, at 09:56 AM, Paul Judge wrote:
>>Mathew, it sounds like you are volunteering to lead some work into the
>>"sender pays" approach. Good. Do you have any preliminary ideas?
>
>Yes, but they're in my head at the moment.
>
>>  Is what you're thinking along the lines of Selling Interrupt Rights or 
>> SHRED or is it a different approach?
>[...]
>>IBM's Selling Interrupt Rights:
>>http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/sj/414/forum.pdf
>
>My thought is that something similar to "Selling Interrupt Rights" is 
>probably what's needed, but I think it's premature to say that that's 
>exactly right in all details.
>
>I think what I'd like to do is try and get some agreement on requirements. 
>For instance, *I* think a fairly basic requirement should be that the user 
>be allowed to set the interrupt price at zero, so if people want to keep 
>on allowing the entire world to send them e-mail for free, they can do 
>so--nobody would be forced to adopt the new system.

Keep in mind the existing requirements document, the technical 
considerations document and the consent framework. Especially within the 
consent framework, consent tokens could be e-postage tokens.


>.....
>So anyway, should I set up a mailing list for the discussion?

IMHO, this list is pretty good for now unless the traffic gets out of hand 
again.

Yakov 


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