Re: [Asrg] Point of information...
Barry Shein <bzs@world.std.com> Fri, 20 June 2003 21:52 UTC
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On June 20, 2003 at 11:20 research@solidmatrix.com (Yakov Shafranovich) wrote: > >Now that viruses have emerged (Jeem, Proxy-Guzu, sobig.a) which can > >make a computer (or, more to the point, millions of computers) an > >unwitting weapon against the entire net this problem has to be taken > >more seriously by Microsoft. > > Are any of these problems solvable by technical means? Going over and over > the illegality of spam does not help things, our group cannot make any > legal impact anyway - we are working on technical solutions. Yes, replacing all MS windows operating systems on all computers attached to the net with either Unix or a modern unix-like operating system (Linux, Mac OSX) would eliminate about 99% of the spam and put virtually all spammers out of business instantly. That's not entirely practical, but it is technical and it would address the problem I am describing and responds to your concerns. Other technical approaches are possible. No, we're not finished, sorry...maybe Ritalin would help you. After nearly ten years of grappling with this for you to demand an instant problem definition and solution (or cease discussion) in one fell swoop seems almost willfully obstructionist. -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs@TheWorld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202 | Login: 617-739-WRLD The World | Public Access Internet | Since 1989 *oo* _______________________________________________ Asrg mailing list Asrg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg
- [Asrg] Point of information... Barry Shein
- [Asrg] Point of information... Selby Hatch
- [Asrg] Re: Point of information... Selby Hatch
- Re: [Asrg] Point of information... Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine
- Re: [Asrg] Point of information... Yakov Shafranovich
- Re: [Asrg] Point of information... Yakov Shafranovich
- Re: [Asrg] Point of information... Barry Shein
- Re: [Asrg] Point of information... Yakov Shafranovich
- Re: [Asrg] Point of information... Barry Shein
- Re: [Asrg] Point of information... Barry Shein
- Re: [Asrg] Point of information... Yakov Shafranovich
- Re: [Asrg] Point of information... Yakov Shafranovich
- Re: [Asrg] Point of information... Barry Shein
- Re: [Asrg] Point of information... Barry Shein
- Re: [Asrg] Point of information... Jon Kyme
- Re: [Asrg] Point of information... Yakov Shafranovich
- Re: [Asrg] Point of information... Walter Dnes
- Re: [Asrg] Point of information... Walter Dnes
- Re: [Asrg] Point of information... Jon Kyme
- Re: [Asrg] Point of information... Alan DeKok
- Re: [Asrg] Point of information... Barry Shein
- Re: [Asrg] Point of information... Barry Shein
- Re: [Asrg] Point of information... Yakov Shafranovich
- Re: [Asrg] Point of information... Yakov Shafranovich
- Re: [Asrg] Point of information... Barry Shein
- Re: [Asrg] Point of information... Yakov Shafranovich
- Re: [Asrg] Point of information... Yakov Shafranovich
- Re: [Asrg] Point of information... Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [Asrg] Point of information... Barry Shein
- RE: [Asrg] Point of information... Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: [Asrg] Point of information... Walter Dnes