Re: [Asrg] hiring challenge responders
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From: "C. Wegrzyn" <wegrzyn@garbagedump.com>
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To: Yakov Shafranovich <research@solidmatrix.com>
CC: Dave Aronson <dja2003@hotpop.com>, asrg@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Asrg] hiring challenge responders
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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:17:08 -0400
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I heard the number as 1% conversion rate: for every 100 messages sent, 99 will reject it and 1 will buy it! Chuck Yakov Shafranovich wrote: > At 02:43 PM 6/26/2003 -0400, Dave Aronson wrote: > >> Vernon Schryver <vjs@calcite.rhyolite.com> wrote: >> >> > Let's do some arithmetic. At $10/hour and 10 seconds per challenge >> > answered or account created, the cost would be about $0.03 address. >> > That sounds a little but not very high to send mail until the >> > challenge whitelist entry is deleted by the spam target. It sounds >> > low for a valid sender account that can be used for millions of >> > messages for days until the free provider notices enough bounces >> > or receives a complaint and terminates it. >> >> Does anybody have any actual numbers on how good a return spammers >> get on >> their spam, in terms of, say, cents per thousand spams? I suspect this >> will be very hard to measure for spam that works indirectly (like >> getting people to go to a URL that does not have an embedded tracking >> number), and vastly different per category, but there may be SOME hard >> data out there.... > > [..] > > There was a news article a while back somewhere about the Iraq playing > cards that were made by some company. It had some financial figures. > > Yakov > > _______________________________________________ > Asrg mailing list > Asrg@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg > _______________________________________________ Asrg mailing list Asrg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg
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