Re: [auth48] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9508 <draft-irtf-icnrg-icnping-12> for your review

[Jim Gibson <[e-mail]>]

I also approve this document for publication. Thanks!

On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 8:30 PM Spyros Mastorakis <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Dear Lynne,
>
> Thank you. The updated document looks good to me.
>
> Spyros
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> On Feb 6, 2024, at 7:02 PM, Lynne Bartholomew <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
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> Dear Spyros,
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> We have updated this document per your notes below.
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> On Feb 6, 2024, at 9:42 AM, Spyros Mastorakis <[e-mail]> wrote:
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> Dear Lynne,
>
> Thank you for your email. Overall, the ping document looks good to us.
>
> We have only one small comment about inserting the final RFC number
> (RFC9531) for path steering in the ping RFC before publishing it. In other
> words, we would like to replace “RFCYYYY” with “RFC9531”.
>
> I believe “RFCYYYY” appears 5 times in sections 3, 4, and 5 of the
> document and another 3 times in the references (section 10.2).
>
> Thank you,
> Spyros
>
> On Feb 6, 2024, at 11:20 AM, Lynne Bartholomew <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
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> Dear authors,
>
> As requested by Dave (email of 2 Feb., re. RFC-to-be 9531), please review
> this document, and let us know if further changes are needed:
>
> Note:  I have not followed the progress of RFC-to-be 9531 and will rely on
> you to let me know whether or not updates are needed as related to
> terminology or other information in RFCs 9507, 9508, and 9531.
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> RFC Editor/lb
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> On Nov 15, 2023, at 9:35 AM, Lynne Bartholomew <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
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> Hi, Dave.
>
> We have noted your approval on the AUTH48 status page:
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> When draft-irtf-icnrg-pathsteering is edited, if we have additional
> terminology questions that apply to all three documents, we will check in
> with you at that time.
>
> Again, many thanks for your prompt help with this document and RFC-to-be
> 9507!
>
> RFC Editor/lb
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> On Nov 15, 2023, at 4:06 AM, David R. Oran <[e-mail]> wrote:
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> On 14 Nov 2023, at 15:33, Lynne Bartholomew wrote:
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> Hi, Dave.
>
> Per email just sent to Dirk and this list, this document, RFC 9507, and
> draft-irtf-icnrg-pathsteering will all be published together.
> draft-irtf-icnrg-pathsteering is now listed as "RFC YYYY" pending a number
> assignment.
>
> Regarding this item:
>
> I think the generic term in running text ought to stay lowercase; ditto
> for traceroute. Reference to the particular messages in the protocol should
> be capitalized. Does that make sense?
>
>
> Apologies, but among the 28 instances of lowercase "ping" that we find, we
> cannot tell which of them might be considered messages.  Please let us know
> if any of the remaining instances of "ping" should be "Ping".
>
> I proofread the latest version (from the links below) and can confirmed
> that the capitalization is as we wanted in all cases.
>
> So, I think we’re good to go on this.
>
> Thanks!
>
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> RFC Editor/lb
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> On Nov 14, 2023, at 5:02 AM, David R. Oran <[e-mail]> wrote:
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> On 13 Nov 2023, at 20:23, Lynne Bartholomew wrote:
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> Getting there! …more inline
>
> Apologies; forgot the closing parenthesis here:
>
> Regarding our question 13) and your reply ("... in the Ping Echo reply and
> included in the Ping Echo request ...: should be
> Regarding our question 13) and your reply ("... in the Ping Echo reply and
> included in the Ping Echo request ...):
>
> I’ll answer this inline below.
>
> On Nov 13, 2023, at 4:59 PM, Lynne Bartholomew <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
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> Hi, Dave.  Thank you for your quick reply and kind words re. this document
> as well!
>
> We asked the Document Shepherd about whether or not to wait for
> draft-irtf-icnrg-pathsteering-07 when we emailed re. RFC-to-be 9507 and
> will wait for his reply.
>
> Dirk thinks we should publish them all together so, let’s go that way if
> it doesn’t make extra work for you. I’ll try to turn comments on
> pathsteering around quickly once you get to it in the queue,
>
> Please note that we have a new question for this document (9508):
>
> <!-- [rfced] Section 9:  FYI, because this document creates the "CCNx
> Echo Reply Codes" registry, we added a sentence regarding the registration
> procedure.  Please let us know any objections.
>
> Excellent. No objection.
>
> Currently:
> IANA has created a new registry called "CCNx Echo Reply Codes".  The
> registration procedure is Specification Required [RFC8126]. -->
>
>
> We have some follow-up questions for you:
>
> Regarding our question 13) and your reply ("... in the Ping Echo reply and
> included in the Ping Echo request ...":  Please review the usage of
> lowercase "ping" in this document (36 instances, by our current count).
> Should all instances of "ping" be changed to "Ping"?  RFC-to-be 9507
> currently has "... new tools analogous to ping and traceroute".
>
> I think the generic term in running text ought to stay lowercase; ditto
> for traceroute. Reference to the particular messages in the protocol should
> be capitalized. Does that make sense?
>
> I went through quickly and found the following inconsistency inmultiple
> places:
> s/ping Echo Requests/Ping Echo Requests/
>
> = = = = =
>
> Regarding our question 19) and your reply:
>
> The [NDNTLV] specification doesn’t say anything about what these TLVs are
> - it doesn’t use either "element" or "selector". The safest thing is to say
> "MustBeFresh TLV".
>
>
> It appears that we should make this update in RFC-to-be 9507 as well.
> Please confirm.
>
> Yes, please.
>
> = = = = =
>
> Regarding these items from our question 28)b):
>
> Echo reply (Section 2) / Echo Reply / echo reply
> Echo Request / echo request
> (We see that RFC-to-be 9507 (draft-irtf-icnrg-icntraceroute-11)
> uses "Echo Request".)
>
> Use "Echo Request".
>
>
>
> We also used "Echo Reply".  Please let us know any concerns.
>
> Yes. Good catch. Correct.
>
> Capitalize per [NDNTLV], so “NDN Data Packet” (same as I suggested for
> icntraceroute)
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>
> We updated accordingly, but we see "NDN Data packet" on <
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>
> Well, seems [NDNTLV] is itself inconsistent. In titles it says “Data
> Packet” but in running text it says “Data packet”. When I checked [NDNTLV]
> I only looked at the titles. I don’t particularly care, so I defer to your
> judgement - perhaps given we mention these in running text as well it ought
> to follow the same convention and use “Data packet”.
>
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> [I snipped out the earlier stuff to keep the replies reasonable length]
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> On Nov 11, 2023, at 6:59 AM, David R. Oran <[e-mail]> wrote:
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> [SNIP]
> DaveO
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