Re: [auth48] [Ben] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9382 <draft-irtf-cfrg-spake2-26> for your review
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2023 14:14:31 -0700
From: Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>
To: "Stanislav V. Smyshlyaev" <smyshsv@gmail.com>
Cc: Alanna Paloma <apaloma@amsl.com>, Sandy Ginoza <sginoza@amsl.com>, Watson Ladd <watsonbladd@gmail.com>, auth48archive <auth48archive@rfc-editor.org>, Info <irsg@irtf.org>, Colin Perkins <csp@csperkins.org>, RFC Editor <rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org>, cfrg-chairs@ietf.org
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Subject: Re: [auth48] [Ben] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9382 <draft-irtf-cfrg-spake2-26> for your review
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Hi Stanislav, That is okay with me. I'll attach the diff I made to the XML source based on reviewing just the auth48diff. -Ben On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 01:51:41PM +0300, Stanislav V. Smyshlyaev wrote: > Dear Ben, > > >> We will be very happy to receive your comments before September 25th. > If you don't manage to send them to us before that date, we will have to > move forward with publication anyway (possibly, by moving your name to the > Contributors section, as we suggested in the beginning of June). > > We haven't received any feedback from you (and it's September 26th today). > To move the document forward, we'll have to move your name to the > Contributors section (as we suggested in the beginning of June). If you are > not OK with it, please let us know today. > > Best regards, > Stanislav > > > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 1:36 PM Stanislav V. Smyshlyaev <smyshsv@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Dear Ben, > > > > We really have to finish the publication process of the SPAKE2 draft now. > > We will be very happy to receive your comments before September 25th. If > > you don't manage to send them to us before that date, we will have to move > > forward with publication anyway (possibly, by moving your name to the > > Contributors section, as we suggested in the beginning of June). > > > > Regards, > > Stanislav (for CFRG chairs) > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 9, 2023 at 2:09 AM Sandy Ginoza <sginoza@amsl.com> wrote: > > > >> Hi Ben, > >> > >> Just checking to see if you’ve had a chance to review this document. > >> Please send along your comments when you can. > >> > >> Thank you, > >> RFC Editor/sg > >> > >> > On Aug 28, 2023, at 2:17 PM, Alanna Paloma <apaloma@amsl.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > Hi Ben, > >> > > >> > This is another reminder that we await your updates to this document > >> prior to moving forward with the publication process. > >> > > >> > Thank you, > >> > RFC Editor/ap > >> > > >> >> On Aug 21, 2023, at 10:16 AM, Alanna Paloma <apaloma@amsl.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Hi Ben, > >> >> > >> >> This reminder that we await your updates to this document before > >> moving forward with the publication process. > >> >> > >> >> Thank you, > >> >> RFC Editor/ap > >> >> > >> >>> On Aug 14, 2023, at 9:48 AM, Alanna Paloma <apaloma@amsl.com> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> Hi Ben, > >> >>> > >> >>> This is friendly reminder that we await your suggested updates to > >> this document before continuing forward with the publication process. > >> >>> > >> >>> Thank you, > >> >>> RFC Editor/ap > >> >>> > >> >>>> On Aug 4, 2023, at 1:41 PM, Sandy Ginoza <sginoza@amsl.com> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Hi Ben, > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Great - thanks for letting us know! We will wait to hear from you. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Thanks! > >> >>>> Sandy > >> >>>> > >> >>>>> On Aug 4, 2023, at 1:27 PM, Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu> wrote: > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Hi Sandy, > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> I looked through the diff last week and found some edits to make > >> (at least one > >> >>>>> where an added comma changed the meaning). > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> I'm queued up to read through the rendered doc maybe next week and > >> plan to > >> >>>>> batch all suggested edits together. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Thanks, > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Ben > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> On Fri, Aug 04, 2023 at 01:21:44PM -0700, Sandy Ginoza wrote: > >> >>>>>> Hi Ben, > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> This is a friendly reminder that we await your review. Note that > >> your coauthor has approved the document for publication. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Colin and Stanislav, we have not heard from Ben since mid-June. > >> Please consider whether you would like to approve the document in Ben’s > >> absence if we do not hear from him (see > >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/faq/#missingauthor). > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> The files are available here: > >> >>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382.xml > >> >>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382.txt > >> >>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382.pdf > >> >>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382.html > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> AUTH48 diff: > >> >>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382-auth48diff.html > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Comprehensive diffs: > >> >>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382-diff.html > >> >>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382-rfcdiff.html > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Thank you, > >> >>>>>> RFC Editor/sg > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> On Jul 12, 2023, at 8:56 AM, Alanna Paloma <apaloma@amsl.com> > >> wrote: > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> Hi Ben, > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> Please let us know if you plan to review the document or if you > >> would like to select one of the options that Stanislav has mentioned below. > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> Could you please choose between the two options (or suggest that > >> we do something else if some other actions look better)? > >> >>>>>>>>>> Option 1: You confirm that you are OK with the draft, it > >> allows Alanna to finish the AUTH48 and move the document forward > >> immediately. > >> >>>>>>>>>> Option 2: You are removed as an author and are moved to the > >> Contributors section. > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> Thank you, > >> >>>>>>> RFC Editor/ap > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> On Jul 5, 2023, at 9:15 AM, Alanna Paloma <apaloma@amsl.com> > >> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> Hi Ben, > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> This is another friendly reminder that we await your choice > >> regarding the two options that Stanislav has outlined below. > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> Could you please choose between the two options (or suggest > >> that we do something else if some other actions look better)? > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Option 1: You confirm that you are OK with the draft, it > >> allows Alanna to finish the AUTH48 and move the document forward > >> immediately. > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Option 2: You are removed as an author and are moved to the > >> Contributors section. > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> Once you have made your choice, we will move this document > >> forward in the publication process. > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> Thank you, > >> >>>>>>>> RFC Editor/ap > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2023, at 9:12 AM, Alanna Paloma <apaloma@amsl.com> > >> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> Hi Ben, > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> This is a friendly reminder that we await your choice of the > >> options outlined by Stanislav: > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Could you please choose between the two options (or suggest > >> that we do something else if some other actions look better)? > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Option 1: You confirm that you are OK with the draft, it > >> allows Alanna to finish the AUTH48 and move the document forward > >> immediately. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Option 2: You are removed as an author and are moved to the > >> Contributors section. > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> Best regards, > >> >>>>>>>>> RFC Editor/ap > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 2023, at 3:59 PM, Alanna Paloma <apaloma@amsl.com> > >> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Ben, > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> This is another friendly reminder that we await your choice > >> regarding the two options that Stanislav has outlined below. > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Could you please choose between the two options (or suggest > >> that we do something else if some other actions look better)? > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Option 1: You confirm that you are OK with the draft, it > >> allows Alanna to finish the AUTH48 and move the document forward > >> immediately. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Option 2: You are removed as an author and are moved to the > >> Contributors section. > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you, > >> >>>>>>>>>> RFC Editor/ap > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 12, 2023, at 12:19 PM, Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu> > >> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Allana, Stanislav, > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> I think my schedule is going to open up around Thursday this > >> week; I will aim > >> >>>>>>>>>>> to take a closer look at the document and choose an option > >> then. > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry for all the delays, > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Ben > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 10:05:28AM -0700, Alanna Paloma wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Ben, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is a friendly reminder that we await your choice > >> regarding the two options that Stanislav has outlined below. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Could you please choose between the two options (or suggest > >> that we do something else if some other actions look better)? > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Option 1: You confirm that you are OK with the draft, it > >> allows Alanna to finish the AUTH48 and move the document forward > >> immediately. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Option 2: You are removed as an author and are moved to > >> the Contributors section. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> RFC Editor/ap > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2023, at 6:19 AM, Stanislav V. Smyshlyaev < > >> smyshsv@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Ben, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Could you please choose between the two options (or suggest > >> that we do something else if some other actions look better)? > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Option 1: You confirm that you are OK with the draft, it > >> allows Alanna to finish the AUTH48 and move the document forward > >> immediately. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Option 2: You are removed as an author and are moved to > >> the Contributors section. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Stanislav (for CFRG chairs) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 8:09 AM Stanislav V. Smyshlyaev < > >> smyshsv@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Ben, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As I understand, essentially we have two options now: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Option 1: You confirm that you are OK with the draft, it > >> allows Alanna to finish the AUTH48 and move the document forward > >> immediately. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Option 2: You are removed as an author and are moved to the > >> Contributors section. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Could you please choose between these two options? > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> P.S.: Another option, following the IESG Statement on > >> AUTH48 (see https://www.ietf.org/about/groups/iesg/statements/auth48/), > >> seems to be inapplicable now, since you have responded. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Stanislav > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 7:30 AM Benjamin Kaduk < > >> kaduk@mit.edu> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Alanna, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I had replied to Chris Wood on a separate thread, but I'm > >> in the process of > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> moving house and will not be able to do anything useful > >> with this document for > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> another week or so. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That said, I'm also not strongly attached to my name > >> appearing on it, so if > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> there is reason to publish quickly I'm willing to be > >> demoted to a contributor > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> or something. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -Ben > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 01, 2023 at 02:08:18PM -0700, Alanna Paloma > >> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Stanislav, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have not yet heard from Ben Kaduk regarding this > >> document's readiness for publication. Please consider whether you would > >> like to approve in Ben's absence (see > >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/faq/#missingauthor). > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> RFC Editor/ap > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2023, at 8:41 AM, Alanna Paloma < > >> apaloma@amsl.com> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Ben, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a friendly reminder that we await your approval > >> prior to moving this document forward in the publication process. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382.xml > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382.txt > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382.html > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382.pdf > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382-diff.html > >> (comprehensive diff) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382-auth48diff.html (AUTH48 > >> changes) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382-lastdiff.html > >> (htmlwdiff diff between last version and this) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382-lastrfcdiff.html (rfcdiff > >> diff between last version and this) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the AUTH48 status of this document, please see: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9382 > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RFC Editor/ap > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 17, 2023, at 8:20 AM, Alanna Paloma < > >> apaloma@amsl.com> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Ben, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just a reminder that we await your approval prior to > >> moving this document forward in the publication process. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382.xml > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382.txt > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382.html > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382.pdf > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382-diff.html > >> (comprehensive diff) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382-auth48diff.html (AUTH48 > >> changes) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382-lastdiff.html > >> (htmlwdiff diff between last version and this) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382-lastrfcdiff.html (rfcdiff > >> diff between last version and this) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the AUTH48 status of this document, please see: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9382 > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RFC Editor/ap > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 10, 2023, at 11:00 AM, Alanna Paloma < > >> apaloma@amsl.com> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Ben, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a friendly reminder that we await your approval > >> prior to moving this document forward in the publication process. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382.xml > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382.txt > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382.html > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382.pdf > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382-diff.html > >> (comprehensive diff) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382-auth48diff.html (AUTH48 > >> changes) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382-lastdiff.html (htmlwdiff diff > >> between last version and this) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382-lastrfcdiff.html (rfcdiff > >> diff between last version and this) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the AUTH48 status of this document, please see: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9382 > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RFC Editor/ap > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 3, 2023, at 9:53 AM, Alanna Paloma < > >> apaloma@amsl.com> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Stanislav and Watson, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your replies. We have removed the > >> parenthetical text. The change can be see in the files below (please > >> refresh your browser). > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382.xml > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382.txt > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382.html > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382.pdf > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382-diff.html > >> (comprehensive diff) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382-auth48diff.html (AUTH48 > >> changes) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382-lastdiff.html (htmlwdiff diff > >> between last version and this) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382-lastrfcdiff.html (rfcdiff > >> diff between last version and this) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RFC Editor/ap > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 3, 2023, at 9:35 AM, Stanislav V. Smyshlyaev < > >> smyshsv@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No objections from me either. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stanislav > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 3 May 2023 at 20:33, Watson Ladd < > >> watsonbladd@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I think that's a good idea. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 3, 2023 at 8:49 AM Alanna Paloma < > >> apaloma@amsl.com> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Watson, Ben, and Stanislav, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Per feedback from Eliot Lear re. companion document > >> RFC-to-be 9383, may we remove the parenthetical “(set up the protocol”) > >> from the diagram in Section 3.1? > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 2, 2023, at 10:16 AM, Independent > >> Submissions Editor (Eliot Lear) <rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, this really is editorial. The correction that > >> Watson suggested is just fine, and consistency is useful. But if it's > >> possibly to consistently remove across both, that would be good. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RFC Editor/ap > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 2, 2023, at 8:58 AM, Alanna Paloma < > >> apaloma@amsl.com> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Stanislav, Watson, and Ben, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have noted Stanislav’s and Watson’s approvals on > >> the AUTH48 status page: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9382 > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Additionally, we have updated “therefore prevent” > >> to “therefore prevents”, per the nit pointed out by Watson. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 4:45 PM, Watson Ladd < > >> watsonbladd@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Section 3.2 > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OLD: "Including this list would ensure that both > >> parties agree upon the > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same set of supported protocols and therefore > >> prevent downgrade > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attacks." > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NEW: "Including this list would ensure that both > >> parties agree upon the > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same set of supported protocols and therefore > >> prevents downgrade attacks" > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOTE: this changes the subject from the parties to > >> the inclusion. The > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> difference is the s on prevents. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After that nit we can consider the document > >> APPROVED. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The latest files are posted here. Please refresh > >> your browser: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382.xml > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382.txt > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382.html > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382.pdf > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The relevant diff files have been posted here: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382-diff.html (comprehensive diff) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382-auth48diff.html (AUTH48 > >> changes) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382-lastdiff.html (htmlwdiff diff > >> between last version and this) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382-lastrfcdiff.html (rfcdiff > >> diff between last version and this) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We will await any further changes you may have and > >> approval from Ben prior to moving this document forward in the publication > >> process. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RFC Editor/ap > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 8:21 PM, Stanislav V. > >> Smyshlyaev <smyshsv@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Alanna, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, I approve the changes. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stanislav > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 2 May 2023 at 03:21, Alanna Paloma < > >> apaloma@amsl.com> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Watson, Stanislav*, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Stanislav - As Document Shepherd, please review > >> the following changes and let us know if you approve. They can be seen in > >> this file: https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382-auth48diff.html > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Section 3.3: updated text > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This prevents man-in-the-middle attackers from > >> inserting themselves into > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the exchange. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Current: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This use of the transcript ensures any > >> manipulation of the messages sent > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is reflected in the keys. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Section 9.2: added informative reference > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [NIST.SP.800-56Ar3] > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> National Institute of Standards and Technology, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Recommendation for Pair-Wise Key-Establishment > >> Schemes > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using Discrete Logarithm Cryptography", Revision > >> 3, NIST > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Special Publication 800-56A, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOI 10.6028/NIST.SP.800-56Ar3, April 2018, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://doi.org/10.6028/NIST.SP.800-56Ar3>. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Appendix B: added sentence > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Current: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Line breaks have been added due to line-length > >> limitations. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Watson - Thank you for the quick reply. We have > >> updated the files accordingly. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The latest files are posted here. Please refresh > >> your browser: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382.xml > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382.txt > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382.html > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382.pdf > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The relevant diff files have been posted here: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382-diff.html (comprehensive diff) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382-auth48diff.html (AUTH48 > >> changes) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382-lastdiff.html (last version > >> to this one) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the AUTH48 status of this document, please see: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9382 > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RFC Editor/ap > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 1:53 PM, Watson Ladd < > >> watsonbladd@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 1, 2023, 1:24 PM Alanna Paloma < > >> apaloma@amsl.com> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Watson, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your reply. We have updated the > >> files accordingly. Please note that we have some follow-up queries and > >> notes. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Regarding your response to the query below, > >> should this reference be listed as a normative or informative reference? > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Informative > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10) <!--[rfced] Should this sentence include a > >> citation after "NIST.SP.800-56Ar3"? > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If so, please provide the reference > >> information. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Standards such as NIST.SP.800-56Ar3 > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest taking mod p of a hash value that is > >> 64 bits longer than that > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed to represent p to remove statistical > >> bias introduced by the > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modulation. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes it should. citation information Barker, E. > >> , Chen, L. , Roginsky, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A. , Vassilev, A. and Davis, R. (2018), > >> Recommendation for Pair-Wise > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Key-Establishment Schemes Using Discrete > >> Logarithm Cryptography, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Special Publication (NIST SP), National > >> Institute of Standards and > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Technology, Gaithersburg, MD, [online], > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doi.org/10.6028/NIST.SP.800-56Ar3 > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Please carefully review the updated line > >> breaks in the test vectors in Appendix B and let us know if further updates > >> are necessary. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spake2: A='server', B='client' > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There seems to be a spurious > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> 123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012 > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after TT and then an empty line before HASH(TT), > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unlike the others. This should be removed. (Was > >> in the original and I > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't see it). > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) FYI, we have made the following updates in > >> Section 6 to reflect RFC 9383. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For P256: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For P384: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For P521: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Current: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For P-256: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For P-384: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For P-521: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SGTM > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The files have been posted here (please refresh): > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382.xml > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382.txt > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382.html > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382.pdf > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The relevant diff files have been posted here: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382-diff.html (comprehensive diff) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382-auth48diff.html (AUTH48 > >> changes) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9382-lastdiff.html (last version > >> to this one) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please review the document carefully and contact > >> us with any further updates you may have. Note that we do not make changes > >> once a document is published as an RFC. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We will await approvals from each party listed > >> on the AUTH48 status page below prior to moving this document forward in > >> the publication process. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One more version, and then I will take a very > >> careful look and likely > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approve unless I see anything else. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the AUTH48 status of this document, please > >> see: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9382 > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RFC Editor/ap > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 9:11 AM, Watson Ladd < > >> watsonbladd@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is the response to the questions. > >> Apologies for the delays > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 1:07 AM < > >> rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Authors, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While reviewing this document during AUTH48, > >> please resolve (as necessary) the following questions, which are also in > >> the XML file. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) <!--[rfced] Please ensure that the > >> guidelines listed in Section 2.1 of RFC 5743 > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been adhered to in this document. --> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They have been. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) <!--[rfced] May we update the title as > >> follows? > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SPAKE2, a PAKE > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Symmetric Password-Authenticated Key Exchange > >> (SPAKE2) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about "SPAKE2, a Password-Authenticated Key > >> Exchange"? > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) <!-- [rfced] Please insert any keywords > >> (beyond those that appear in the title) for use on > >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/search. --> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) <!--[rfced] FYI, we have expanded "SPAKE2" > >> as "symmetric password-authenticated > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> key exchange". Please let us know if you > >> prefer otherwise. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd prefer to leave it as SPAKE2: there are > >> many symmetric > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> password-authenticated key exchanges out there. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This document describes SPAKE2 which is a > >> protocol for two parties > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that share a password to derive a strong > >> shared key without > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disclosing the password. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Current: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This document describes the symmetric > >> password-authenticated key exchange (SPAKE2), > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is a protocol for two parties that share > >> a password to derive a strong > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shared key without disclosing the password. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5) <!--[rfced] For clarity, may we update this > >> sentence as follows? > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Applications that need a symmetric PAKE > >> (password authenticated key exchange) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and where hashing onto an elliptic curve at > >> execution time is not > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possible can use SPAKE2. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Applications that need a symmetric PAKE, but > >> are unable to hash onto an > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elliptic curve at execution time, can use > >> SPAKE2. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds good > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6) <!--[rfced] Section 3.1: Does "setup > >> protocol" mean > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "the setup protocol" or "set up the > >> protocol"? We ask > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because the other items in the diagrams (of > >> this document > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and RFC-to-be 9383) start with verbs > >> ("compute", "derive", > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and "check"). > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | (setup protocol) | > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | (set up the protocol) | > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FYI, your reply to this question will be > >> discussed with the > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> authors of RFC-to-be 9383 because that > >> document also > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uses "setup protocol" in a diagram in Section > >> 3.1. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Set up the protocol is clearer, let's do that. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7) <!--[rfced] FYI, we have updated "gap > >> Diffie-Hellman" to "GDH" > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when it appears after the initial expansion. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SGTM > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8) <!--[rfced] May we point directly to Table > >> 1 in these two sentences from > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Section 3.2 and Appendix A? FYI, "Table 1" > >> will be a link in the > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HTML and PDF outputs. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We fix two elements M and N in > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the prime-order subgroup of G as defined in > >> the table in this > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> document for common groups, as well as a > >> generator P of the (large) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prime-order subgroup of G. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We fix two elements, M and N, in > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the prime-order subgroup of G, as defined in > >> Table 1 of this > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> document for common groups, as well as > >> generator P of the (large) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prime-order subgroup of G. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This section describes the algorithm that was > >> used to generate the > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> points M and N in the table in Section 6. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This section describes the algorithm that was > >> used to generate > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> points M and N in Table 1. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SGTM. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9) <!--[rfced] Should "intermediate keying > >> material (IKM)" be changed to > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "input keying material (IKM)" as in RFC 5869 > >> (which is cited in both this > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> document and RFC-to-be 9383)? > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KDF(ikm, salt, info, L) is a key-derivation > >> function that takes as > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> input a salt, intermediate keying material > >> (IKM), ... > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FYI, your reply to this question will be > >> discussed with the authors > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of RFC-to-be 9383 because it also uses > >> "intermediate". > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes it should be. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10) <!--[rfced] Should this sentence include a > >> citation after "NIST.SP.800-56Ar3"? > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If so, please provide the reference > >> information. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Standards such as NIST.SP.800-56Ar3 > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest taking mod p of a hash value that is > >> 64 bits longer than that > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed to represent p to remove statistical > >> bias introduced by the > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modulation. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes it should. citation information Barker, E. > >> , Chen, L. , Roginsky, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A. , Vassilev, A. and Davis, R. (2018), > >> Recommendation for Pair-Wise > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Key-Establishment Schemes Using Discrete > >> Logarithm Cryptography, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Special Publication (NIST SP), National > >> Institute of Standards and > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Technology, Gaithersburg, MD, [online], > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doi.org/10.6028/NIST.SP.800-56Ar3 > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11) <!--[rfced] We are having some difficulty > >> parsing this sentence. How should > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it be updated? > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This variant MUST be used when it is not > >> possible to determine which > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of A and B should use M or N, due to > >> asymmetries in the protocol > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flows or the desire to use only a single > >> shared secret with nil > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identities for authentication. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This variant MUST be used when it is not > >> possible to determine whether > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A or B should use M or N, due to asymmetries > >> in the protocol > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flows or the desire to use only a single > >> shared secret with nil > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identities for authentication. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the second is clearer. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12) <!-- [rfced] Would you like the references > >> to be alphabetized > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or left in their current order? > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alphebetized please > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 13) <!-- [rfced] The following reference is > >> not cited in the text. Please > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let us know where it should be cited or if it > >> should be deleted from > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the References section. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [TDH] Cash, D., Kiltz, E., and V. Shoup, > >> "The Twin-Diffie > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hellman Problem and Applications", 2008. > >> EUROCRYPT 2008. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Volume 4965 of Lecture notes in Computer > >> Science, pages > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 127-145. Springer-Verlag, Berlin, Germany. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it should be removed. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 14) <!--[rfced] Should "the table below" be > >> changed to "Table 1"? > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We note that no table appears below this > >> sentence from Appendix A. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For each curve in the table below, we > >> construct a string using the > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> curve OID from [RFC5480] (as an ASCII string) > >> or its name, combined > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the needed constant... > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It should be table 1. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 15) <!-- [rfced] Appendix A: FYI, due to the > >> line-length limitation of > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 69 characters within the sourcecode element, > >> we have added a line break > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as follows. Please let us know if would like > >> to change the indentation. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hashes = [iterated_hash(seed, i) for i in > >> range(start, start + n)] > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Current: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hashes = [iterated_hash(seed, i) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for i in range(start, start + n)] > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That works. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 16) <!--[rfced] The test vectors in Appendix > >> B.1 include lines that exceed > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 72-character limit. Please let us know > >> where to insert line breaks. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To summarize the line-length limitations: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * 72 characters for artwork elements. (Note: > >> in the text output, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the renderer will "outdent" into the left > >> margin for artwork > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is over 69 characters.) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * 69 characters for sourcecode elements. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For example, may they simply be wrapped at 72 > >> chars as follows? > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Simple wrapping will be fine, but best would be > >> to wrap always an even > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number of characters. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hash(TT) = > >> 0x0e0672dc86f8e45565d338b0540abe6915bdf72e2b35b5c9e5663168e960a91b > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> HASH(TT)=0x0e0672dc86f8e45565d338b0540abe6915bdf72e2b35b5c9e5663168e9 > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 60a91b > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be slightly better as then we'd always > >> preserve the bytes > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, please let us know if you'd like to add > >> a sentence like > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Line breaks have been added due to > >> line-length limitations" > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (as in RFC 7790 and other documents). > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that should be added. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 17) <!--[rfced] Is having a division for > >> Appendix B.1 necessary? It seems to > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be all the content of Appendix B, so could > >> Appendix B simply be renamed? > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds good. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Appendix B. Test Vectors > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> B.1. SPAKE2 Test Vectors > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Appendix B. SPAKE2 Test Vectors > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (FYI, the one large artwork element has been > >> separated into > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4 artwork elements, as there seem to be 4 > >> invocations. Please let > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us know if you prefer otherwise.) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 18) <!--[rfced] In running text, this term > >> appears to be hyphenated > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inconsistently. Please review it and let us > >> know if/how it > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may be made consistent. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SHA256 (3 instances) vs. SHA-256 (1 instance) > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We note this issue also affects > >> draft-irtf-cfrg-vrf-15, which > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is in this document cluster, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e.g., no hyphen: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "choices for Hash are SHA256 or SHA512 > >> [RFC6234]" in this document > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vs. hyphenated: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Hash is SHA-512 as specified in [RFC6234]" in > >> draft-irtf-cfrg-vrf-15. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let us hyphenate. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 19) <!-- [rfced] Please review the "Inclusive > >> Language" portion of the > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> online Style Guide > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < > >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/styleguide/part2/#inclusive_language> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and let us know if any changes are needed. > >> For example, please consider > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whether "man-in-the-middle" should be updated. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In section 3.3 > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OLD > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "This prevents man-in-the-middle attackers from > >> inserting themselves > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into the exchange" > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NEW > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "This use of the transcript ensures any > >> manipulation of the messages > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sent is reflected in the keys". > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RFC Editor/ap/ar > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 3, 2023, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org > >> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *****IMPORTANT***** > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updated 2023/04/03 > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RFC Author(s): > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------- > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instructions for Completing AUTH48 > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your document has now entered AUTH48. 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- Re: [auth48] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9382 <draft-irtf-c… rfc-editor
- [auth48] Two minor changes (was Re: AUTH48: RFC-t… Watson Ladd
- Re: [auth48] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9382 <draft-irtf-c… Alanna Paloma
- Re: [auth48] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9382 <draft-irtf-c… Alanna Paloma
- Re: [auth48] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9382 <draft-irtf-c… Alanna Paloma
- Re: [auth48] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9382 <draft-irtf-c… Alanna Paloma
- Re: [auth48] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9382 <draft-irtf-c… Watson Ladd
- [auth48] Fwd: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9382 <draft-irtf-… Watson Ladd
- Re: [auth48] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9382 <draft-irtf-c… Alanna Paloma
- Re: [auth48] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9382 <draft-irtf-c… Watson Ladd
- [auth48] [Document Shepherd] Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-b… Alanna Paloma
- [auth48] One last nit (was Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be … Watson Ladd
- Re: [auth48] [Document Shepherd] Re: AUTH48: RFC-… Stanislav V. Smyshlyaev
- Re: [auth48] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9382 <draft-irtf-c… Alanna Paloma
- Re: [auth48] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9382 <draft-irtf-c… Alanna Paloma
- Re: [auth48] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9382 <draft-irtf-c… Watson Ladd
- Re: [auth48] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9382 <draft-irtf-c… Stanislav V. Smyshlyaev
- Re: [auth48] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9382 <draft-irtf-c… Alanna Paloma
- Re: [auth48] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9382 <draft-irtf-c… Alanna Paloma
- Re: [auth48] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9382 <draft-irtf-c… Alanna Paloma
- Re: [auth48] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9382 <draft-irtf-c… Alanna Paloma
- [auth48] [Document Shepherd] Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-b… Alanna Paloma
- Re: [auth48] [Document Shepherd] Re: AUTH48: RFC-… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [auth48] [Document Shepherd] Re: AUTH48: RFC-… Stanislav V. Smyshlyaev
- Re: [auth48] [Document Shepherd] Re: AUTH48: RFC-… Stanislav V. Smyshlyaev
- Re: [auth48] [Document Shepherd] AUTH48: RFC-to-b… Alanna Paloma
- Re: [auth48] [Document Shepherd] AUTH48: RFC-to-b… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [auth48] [Document Shepherd] AUTH48: RFC-to-b… Alanna Paloma
- Re: [auth48] [Document Shepherd] AUTH48: RFC-to-b… Alanna Paloma
- Re: [auth48] [Document Shepherd] AUTH48: RFC-to-b… Alanna Paloma
- Re: [auth48] [Document Shepherd] AUTH48: RFC-to-b… Alanna Paloma
- [auth48] [Ben] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9382 <draft-irtf… Sandy Ginoza
- Re: [auth48] [Ben] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9382 <draft-… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [auth48] [Ben] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9382 <draft-… Sandy Ginoza
- Re: [auth48] [Ben] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9382 <draft-… Alanna Paloma
- Re: [auth48] [Ben] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9382 <draft-… Alanna Paloma
- Re: [auth48] [Ben] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9382 <draft-… Alanna Paloma
- Re: [auth48] [Ben] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9382 <draft-… Sandy Ginoza
- Re: [auth48] [Ben] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9382 <draft-… Stanislav V. Smyshlyaev
- Re: [auth48] [Ben] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9382 <draft-… Watson Ladd
- Re: [auth48] [Ben] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9382 <draft-… Stanislav V. Smyshlyaev
- Re: [auth48] [Ben] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9382 <draft-… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [auth48] [Ben] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9382 <draft-… Alanna Paloma
- Re: [auth48] [Ben] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9382 <draft-… Watson Ladd
- Re: [auth48] [Ben] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9382 <draft-… Alanna Paloma
- Re: [auth48] [irsg] [Ben] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9382 … Christopher Wood
- Re: [auth48] [irsg] [Ben] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9382 … Watson Ladd
- Re: [auth48] [irsg] [Ben] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9382 … Alanna Paloma