Re: [auth48] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9296 <draft-liu-lsr-p2poverlan-12> for your review

Karen Moore <kmoore@amsl.com> Tue, 16 August 2022 23:01 UTC

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Subject: Re: [auth48] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9296 <draft-liu-lsr-p2poverlan-12> for your review
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Harold and Joel,

Thank you for your replies.  We have inserted the IANA reference as requested; the updated files are below. Also, we believe Joel has given his approval of the document, so we noted it on the AUTH48 page (if more time is needed for review, please let us know).

(Please refresh)
The updated XML file is here:
https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9296.xml

The updated output files are here:
https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9296.txt
https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9296.pdf
https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9296.html

This diff file shows all changes made during AUTH48:
https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9296-auth48diff.html

This diff file shows all changes made to date:
https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9296-diff.html

Please contact us with any further updates or with your approval of the document in its current form.  We will await approvals from Harold and Congjie, in addition to Eliot (ISE), prior to moving forward in the publication process.

For the AUTH48 status of this document, please see:
https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9296

Thank you,

RFC Editor/kc

> On Aug 16, 2022, at 5:46 AM, Joel Halpern <joel.halpern@ericsson.com> wrote:
> 
> Thank you Harold and Karen.  Looks good to me.
> Yours,
> Joel
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Harold Liu <harold.liu=40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> 
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2022 9:19 PM
> To: Karen Moore <kmoore@amsl.com>; Joel Halpern <joel.halpern@ericsson.com>; Congjie Zhang <congjie.zhang@ericsson.com>
> Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org; rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org; auth48archive@rfc-editor.org
> Subject: RE: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9296 <draft-liu-lsr-p2poverlan-12> for your review
> 
> Hello Karen, thanks for your response, I answered the questions following and please let me know if you or your team have any further question:
> 
> <!--1) Should a reference to the IANA registry (https://www.iana.org/assignments/yang-parameters/yang-parameters.xhtml) be added to the end of this sentence? If so, we will add the corresponding entry under the Informative References section.
> 
> <Harold>
> I thought "defined in the Iana-if-type YANG module" was a clear description before, but after thinking about your suggestion,  I think your suggestion is right - adding a reference to the IANA registry is a better description because we cannot assume that all readers have a strong background and know where to get the "IANA -if-type YANG Module", so please modify it as follows:
> 
>  In ifStackTable, the higher layer of the P2P interface over LAN type
>  SHALL be network layer "ipForward" to enable IP routing, and the
>  lower layer of the P2P interface over LAN type SHOULD be any link-
>  data layer that can be bound to "ipForward", including
>  "ethernetCsmacd", "ieee8023adLag", "l2vlan", and so on (defined in
>  the iana-if-type YANG module [IANA-ifTYPE]).
> 
> Informative Ref Entry:
>  [IANA-ifTYPE]
>              IANA, “YANG Module Names",
>              <https://www.iana.org/assignments/yang-parameters>.
> </Harold>
> -->
> 
> <!--2) In the following, “SHOULD always be” is a bit confusing. For clarity, would it make sense to update as “SHOULD be” or “MUST always be”?
> 
> <Harold>
> I believe "SHOULD be" is better to make the description clear, so please:
> 
>   In general, the higher layer of a P2P over a LAN type SHOULD 
>   be "ipForward" (value 142 in [Assignment]), and the lower layer of
>   P2P over a LAN type SHOULD be any appropriate link-data layer of
>   "ipForward".
> </Harold>
> -->
> 
> <!--3) We updated the text in the IANA section (see Section 5). Please review and let us know if any further changes are needed.
> <Harold>
> I saw the current text of Section 5 is:
> 
>  In the "Interface Types (ifType)" registry, value 303 is assigned to
>  p2pOverLan [Assignment]. As this document explains how the
>  p2pOverLan (303) ifType is to be used, IANA has amended the reference
>  for p2pOverLan (303) to point to this document (instead of [RFC5309])
>  and made a similar amendment in the YANG iana-if-type module
>  [IANA-ifTYPE] (originally specified in [RFC7224]).
> 
> Thank you very much for your update, I think there is no problem with such text because it presents our original intention.
> </Harold>
> -->
> 
> Brs
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karen Moore <kmoore@amsl.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 5:09 AM
> To: Joel Halpern <joel.halpern=40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org>; Harold Liu <harold.liu@ericsson.com>; Congjie Zhang <congjie.zhang@ericsson.com>
> Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org; rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org; auth48archive@rfc-editor.org
> Subject: Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9296 <draft-liu-lsr-p2poverlan-12> for your review
> 
> Hello Harold and Joel,
> 
> Thank you for your replies.  Apologies for the delayed response - we were discussing some of the updates internally before replying to the authors. 
> 
> We have updated our files based on Harold's replies, and we have some additional questions.
> 
> 1) Should a reference to the IANA registry (https://www.iana.org/assignments/yang-parameters/yang-parameters.xhtml) be added to the end of this sentence? If so, we will add the corresponding entry under the Informative References section.
> 
> Current:
>  In ifStackTable, the higher layer of the P2P interface over LAN type
>  SHALL be network layer "ipForward" to enable IP routing, and the
>  lower layer of the P2P interface over LAN type SHOULD be any link-
>  data layer that can be bound to "ipForward", including
>  "ethernetCsmacd", "ieee8023adLag", "l2vlan", and so on (defined in
>  the iana-if-type YANG module.
> 
> Perhaps:
>  In ifStackTable, the higher layer of the P2P interface over LAN type
>  SHALL be network layer "ipForward" to enable IP routing, and the
>  lower layer of the P2P interface over LAN type SHOULD be any link-
>  data layer that can be bound to "ipForward", including
>  "ethernetCsmacd", "ieee8023adLag", "l2vlan", and so on (defined in
>  the iana-if-type YANG module [IANA-ifTYPE]).
> 
> Informative Ref Entry:
>  [IANA-ifTYPE]
>              IANA, “YANG Module Names",
>              <https://www.iana.org/assignments/yang-parameters>.
> 
> 2) In the following, “SHOULD always be” is a bit confusing. For clarity, would it make sense to update as “SHOULD be” or “MUST always be”?
> 
> Current:
>   In general, the higher layer of a P2P over a LAN type SHOULD always
>   be "ipForward" (value 142 in [Assignment]), and the lower layer of
>   P2P over a LAN type SHOULD be any appropriate link-data layer of
>   "ipForward”.
> 
> Perhaps:
>   In general, the higher layer of a P2P over a LAN type SHOULD 
>   be "ipForward" (value 142 in [Assignment]), and the lower layer of
>   P2P over a LAN type SHOULD be any appropriate link-data layer of
>   "ipForward".
> 
> 3) We updated the text in the IANA section (see Section 5). Please review and let us know if any further changes are needed. 
> 
> 
> The updated XML file is here:
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9296.xml
> 
> The updated output files are here:
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9296.txt
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9296.pdf
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9296.html
> 
> This diff file shows all changes made during AUTH48:
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9296-auth48diff.html
> 
> This diff file shows all changes made to date:
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9296-diff.html
> 
> Note that it may be necessary for you to refresh your browser to view the most recent version. Please review the document carefully to ensure satisfaction as we do not make changes once it has been published as an RFC.
> 
> Please contact us with any further updates or with your approval of the document in its current form.  We will await approvals from each author, in addition to Eliot (ISE), prior to moving forward in the publication process.
> 
> For the AUTH48 status of this document, please see:
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9296
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> RFC Editor/kc
> 
>> On Aug 15, 2022, at 6:36 AM, Joel Halpern <joel.halpern=40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Editors, it is unclear from the status page what the current status is.
>> Harold submitted replies to the questions (below).  I do not recall seeing an acknowledgment of those replies.  Are you waiting before confirming to hear from myself and Congie?  If you are waiting for me, this is to confirm that I agree with his resolutions.  I had assumed we would see a reply from you indicating whether those resolutions were sufficient, so Congie and I (and the ISE?) could sign off?
>> Yours,
>> Joel
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Harold Liu <harold.liu@ericsson.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 11:07 AM
>> To: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org; Joel Halpern 
>> <joel.halpern@ericsson.com>; Congjie Zhang 
>> <congjie.zhang@ericsson.com>
>> Cc: rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org; rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org; 
>> auth48archive@rfc-editor.org
>> Subject: RE: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9296 <draft-liu-lsr-p2poverlan-12> for 
>> your review
>> 
>> Thanks a lot editors, this mail is to resolve your questions:
>> 
>> 1) <!-- [rfced] The document's title creates some hyphenation questions, and we are curious if we could get a better matchup between the title and the rest of the document's stated purpose (see the final line of the Introduction's penultimate paragraph).  Please review this suggested update and let us know if this, or another title of your suggestion, might work.
>> 
>> <Authors>
>> It is good to change the title as your suggestion, please change the title to:
>> ifStackTable for the Point-to-Point (P2P) Interface over a LAN Type: 
>> Definition and Example </Authors>
>> -->
>> 
>> 2) <!-- [rfced] Please insert any keywords (beyond those that appear in the title) for use on https://www.rfc-editor.org/search.
>> <Authors>
>> "ifType", "ifStack", and "point-to-point" would seem the good candidates.
>> </Authors>
>> -->
>> 
>> 3) <!--[rfced] There appears to be a slight mismatch in these two very similar phrases from the Abstract and Introduction.  Please review and let us know if/how they should be made uniform.  Specifically, see the difference between "the P2P interface over LAN ifType" vs. "a P2P interface over LAN type".
>> 
>> <Authors>
>> In general, "ifType" is a specific description in ifStackTable, and "type" is a generic description, where the use of "ifType" and "type" in Abstract and Introduction does introduce ambiguity.
>> So the suggested approach here is to use " ifType" when presented with a "p2pOverLan" or "IANA" or "value 303", and "type" when presented with a "P2P Interface over LAN".
>> In other words, please change "for the P2P interface over a LAN ifType" to "for the P2P interface over a LAN Type" in Abstract.
>> The other descriptions of "type" in Abstract and Introduction are fine.
>> </Authors>
>> -->
>> 
>> 4) <!-- [rfced] May we update "P2P interface lower layer" to "lower layer of the P2P interface"?  
>> 
>> <Authors>
>> Yes, " lower layer of the P2P interface" is more clear, please help to update.
>> </Authors>
>> -->
>> 
>> 5) <!--[rfced] The following paragraph is basically a single sentence that uses back-to-back clauses beginning with the relative pronoun "that".  
>> Please review our suggested update and check whether your intended meaning has been preserved.
>> 
>> In addition, is to what does "LAN type higher layer" refer and "LAN type lower layer" refer?  Perhaps "P2P over higher/lower-layer LAN protocols" 
>> or "higher/lower-layer P2P interface over LAN", or "higher/lower-layer-if"? 
>> Please let us know how this text may be clarified and that we may want to apply a similar update where these phrases are used throughout the document.
>> 
>> <Authors>
>> P2P over a LAN type is interlayer, the upper layer of P2P over a LAN type is "ipForward", and the lower layer is any link-data layer applicable to "ipForward".  The original description of this paragraph does need to be clear, perhaps it could be amended in this way.
>> 
>> Perhaps:
>>  In standard network management protocols that make use of
>>  ifStackTables, the P2P interface over a LAN type is intended to be used
>>  solely as a means to signal that the upper-layer interface of link-data layer is a P2P
>>  interface. Thus, the upper and lower layers of P2P over a LAN type are
>>  expected to apply appropriate semantics.  In general, the higher layer of a P2P over a
>>  LAN type SHOULD always be "ipForward" (value 142 in
>>  [Assignment]), and the lower layer of P2P over a LAN type SHOULD be any
>>  appropriate link-data layer of "ipForward".
>> </Authors>
>> -->
>> 
>> 6) <!-- [rfced] Would it make sense to udpate this text as follows:
>> 
>> <Authors>
>> Your suggestion is good, please update the text as:
>> 
>> "
>>  The purpose of this document is to serve as a reference 
>>  for ifType 303 by suggesting how the ifStackTable for the P2P interface 
>>  over a LAN type is to be used and providing examples.
>> "
>> </Authors>
>> -->
>> 
>> 7) <!-- [rfced] What is 'in "Interface Management YANG"' referring to?  
>> Is it the IETF interfaces YANG module?  The title of RFC 8343?  How can we update?
>> 
>> <Authors>
>> Yes, the "Interface Management YANG" refer to RFC 8343, " A YANG Data Model for Interface Management". The following text is better for me:
>> 
>> "
>>  If a device implements the IF-MIB [RFC2863], then each entry in the
>>  "/interfaces/interface" list (see "A YANG Data Model for Interface
>>  Management" [RFC8343]) in the operational state is typically mapped
>>  to one ifEntry as required in [RFC8343].
>> "
>> </Authors>
>> -->
>> 
>> 8) <!-- [rfced] Please be more specific regarding the text "defined in IANA".  
>> Is this meant to point the reader to the iana-if-type YANG Module <https://www.iana.org/assignments/yang-parameters/iana-if-type@2022-03-07.yang>? 
>> Also note that we are having a tough time parsing "LAN type higher layer" 
>> and "LAN type lower layer" here. 
>> 
>> <Authors>
>> Yes, "defined in IANA" means to point the reader to the iana-if-type YANG Module <https://www.iana.org/assignments/yang-parameters/iana-if-type@2022-03-07.yang>, and also < https://www.iana.org/assignments/smi-numbers/smi-numbers.xhtml#smi-numbers-5>.
>> Again P2P over a LAN type is interlayer, the upper layer of P2P over a LAN type is "ipForward" (one ifType defined https://www.iana.org/assignments/yang-parameters/iana-if-type@2022-03-07.yang or ), and the lower layer is any link-data layer applicable to "ipForward" (also, the applicable lower link-data layer types are from https://www.iana.org/assignments/yang-parameters/iana-if-type@2022-03-07.yang and https://www.iana.org/assignments/smi-numbers/smi-numbers.xhtml#smi-numbers-5).
>> 
>> The preferred text is:
>> "
>>  In ifStackTable the higher layer of the P2P interface over LAN type SHALL be
>>  network layer "ipForward" to enable IP routing, and the lower layer of the P2P interface
>>  over LAN type SHOULD be any link data layer that can be
>>  bound to "ipForward" including "ethernetCsmacd", "ieee8023adLag",
>>  "l2vlan", and so on (defined in iana-if-type YANG Module)."
>> </Authors>
>> -->
>> 
>> 9) <!-- [rfced] IANA indicates that they will complete these actions closer to the time of publication per instructions from the YANG doctors.  
>> For our clarity, does "YANG iana-if-type module" refer to https://www.iana.org/assignments/yang-parameters/iana-if-type@2022-03-07.yang? 
>> If yes, is the reference to RFC 8561 correct?  We only see the following that refer to RFC 8561:
>> 
>> identity microwaveCarrierTermination {
>>   base iana-interface-type;
>>   description
>>     "air interface of a single microwave carrier.";
>>   reference
>>     "RFC 8561 - A YANG Data Model for Microwave Radio Link";  } 
>> identity microwaveRadioLinkTerminal {
>>   base iana-interface-type;
>>   description
>>     "radio link interface for one or several aggregated microwave carriers.";
>>   reference
>>     "RFC 8561 - A YANG Data Model for Microwave Radio Link";
>> 
>> <Authors>
>> Yes, "YANG iana-if-type module" refer to https://www.iana.org/assignments/yang-parameters/iana-if-type@2022-03-07.yang.
>> 
>> We expect to update the one:
>> identity p2pOverLan {
>>   base iana-interface-type;
>>   description
>>     "Point to Point over LAN interface.";
>>   reference
>>     "RFC 5309 - Point-to-Point Operation over LAN in Link State 
>> Routing Protocols";  } Change the reference from "RFC 5309" to this 
>> RFC.
>> 
>> I checked the latest iana-if-type (version 2022-03-07), now "identity p2pOverLan" does refer to "RFC 5309" but in last version of "YANG iana-if-type module" "identity p2pOverLan" refers to "RFC 8561" that's why we wrote it in this draft, so now we should correct the content as below:
>> "
>>  IANA is
>>  requested to amend the reference for that code point to be to this
>>  document and to make a similar amendment in the YANG iana-if-type
>>  module (originally specified in [RFC7224]) which currently points to
>>  [RFC5309], as this document explains how the ifType is to be used.
>> "
>> 
>> And also remove the reference RFC8561 from "Normative References" list of section 6.1.
>> </Authors>
>> -->
>> 
>> 10) <!-- [rfced] Should "LAG" be expanded as Link Aggregation Group or something else?
>> 
>> <Authors>
>> Yes, "LAG" means Link Aggregation Group.
>> </Authors>
>> -->
>> 
>> Brs
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org <rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 5:10 AM
>> To: Harold Liu <harold.liu@ericsson.com>; Joel Halpern 
>> <joel.halpern@ericsson.com>; Congjie Zhang 
>> <congjie.zhang@ericsson.com>
>> Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org; rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org; 
>> rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org; auth48archive@rfc-editor.org
>> Subject: Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9296 <draft-liu-lsr-p2poverlan-12> for 
>> your review
>> 
>> Authors,
>> 
>> While reviewing this document during AUTH48, please resolve (as necessary) the following questions, which are also in the XML file.
>> 
>> 1) <!-- [rfced] The document's title creates some hyphenation questions, and we are curious if we could get a better matchup between the title and the rest of the document's stated purpose (see the final line of the Introduction's penultimate paragraph).  Please review this suggested update and let us know if this, or another title of your suggestion, might work.
>> 
>> Original:
>> Interface Stack Table Definition and Example for Point-to-Point (P2P) 
>> Interface over LAN
>> 
>> Perhaps:
>> ifStackTable for the Point-to-Point (P2P) Interface over a LAN Type: 
>> Definition and Examples
>> 
>> Original from the penultimate paragraph of the introduction:
>>  So the purpose of this document is to
>>  request IANA to add this document as a reference to ifType 303, as
>>  well as suggest how to use ifStackTable for the P2P interface over
>>  LAN type, and provide examples.
>> -->
>> 
>> 
>> 2) <!-- [rfced] Please insert any keywords (beyond those that appear in the title) for use on https://www.rfc-editor.org/search.
>> -->
>> 
>> 
>> 3) <!--[rfced] There appears to be a slight mismatch in these two very similar phrases from the Abstract and Introduction.  Please review and let us know if/how they should be made uniform.  Specifically, see the difference between "the P2P interface over LAN ifType" vs. "a P2P interface over LAN type".
>> 
>> Original Abstract:
>>  This document provides advice about the ifStack for the P2P interface
>>  over LAN ifType to facilitate operational control, maintenance and
>>  statistics.
>> 
>> Original Introduction:
>>  ... an interface is to be considered a P2P
>>  interface over LAN type explicitly in the interface stack.
>> -->
>> 
>> 
>> 4) <!-- [rfced] May we update "P2P interface lower layer" to "lower layer of the P2P interface"?  
>> 
>> Original:
>>  If no entry specifies the P2P interface
>>  lower layer, management tools lose the ability to retrieve and
>>  measure properties specific to lower layers.
>> -->
>> 
>> 
>> 5) <!--[rfced] The following paragraph is basically a single sentence that uses back-to-back clauses beginning with the relative pronoun "that".  
>> Please review our suggested update and check whether your intended 
>> meaning has been preserved.  I
>> 
>> In addition, is to what does "LAN type higher layer" refer and "LAN type lower layer" refer?  Perhaps "P2P over higher/lower-layer LAN protocols" 
>> or "higher/lower-layer P2P interface over LAN", or "higher/lower-layer-if"? 
>> Please let us know how this text may be clarified and that we may want to apply a similar update where these phrases are used throughout the document.  
>> 
>> Original:
>>  The P2P interface over LAN type is intended to be used solely as a
>>  means to signal in standard network management protocols that make
>>  use of ifStackTables that the upper layer interface is P2P interface,
>>  and thus the upper and lower layers of P2P over LAN type will be
>>  expected to apply appropriate semantics: In general, P2P over LAN
>>  type higher layer SHOULD always be "ipForward" (Value 142,
>>  [Assignment]), and the P2P over LAN type lower layer SHOULD be any
>>  appropriate link data layer of "ipForward".
>> 
>> Perhaps:
>>  In standard network management protocols that make use of
>>  ifStackTables, the P2P interface over a LAN type is intended to be used
>>  solely as a means to signal that the upper-layer interface is a P2P
>>  interface.  Thus, the upper and lower layers of P2P over a LAN type are
>>  expected to apply appropriate semantics.  In general, a P2P over a
>>  LAN type higher layer SHOULD always be "ipForward" (value 142 in
>>  [Assignment]), and the P2P over a LAN type lower layer SHOULD be any
>>  appropriate link-data layer of "ipForward".
>> -->
>> 
>> 
>> 6) <!-- [rfced] Would it make sense to udpate this text as follows:
>> 
>> Original:
>>  So the purpose of this document is to
>>  request IANA to add this document as a reference to ifType 303, as
>>  well as suggest how to use ifStackTable for the P2P interface over
>>  LAN type, and provide examples.
>> 
>> Perhaps:
>>  The purpose of this document is to serve as a reference 
>>  for ifType 303 by suggesting how the ifStackTable for the P2P interface 
>>  over a LAN type is to be used and providing examples.
>> -->
>> 
>> 
>> 7) <!-- [rfced] What is 'in "Interface Management YANG"' referring to?  
>> Is it the IETF interfaces YANG module?  The title of RFC 8343?  How can we update?
>> 
>> Original:
>>  If a device implements the IF-MIB [RFC2863], each entry in the
>>  "/interfaces/interface" list (in "Interface Management YANG") in the
>>  operational state is typically mapped to one ifEntry as required in
>>  [RFC8343].
>> 
>> Perhaps A:   
>>  If a device implements the IF-MIB [RFC2863], then each entry in the
>>  "/interfaces/interface" list (see the ietf-interfaces YANG 
>>  module [RFC8343]) in the operational state is typically mapped
>>  to one ifEntry as required in [RFC8343].
>> 
>> Perhaps B:
>>  If a device implements the IF-MIB [RFC2863], then each entry in the
>>  "/interfaces/interface" list (see "A YANG Data Model for Interface
>>  Management" [RFC8343]) in the operational state is typically mapped
>>  to one ifEntry as required in [RFC8343].
>> -->
>> 
>> 
>> 8) <!-- [rfced] Please be more specific regarding the text "defined in IANA".  
>> Is this meant to point the reader to the iana-if-type YANG Module <https://www.iana.org/assignments/yang-parameters/iana-if-type@2022-03-07.yang>? 
>> Also note that we are having a tough time parsing "LAN type higher layer" 
>> and "LAN type lower layer" here. 
>> 
>> Original:
>>  In ifStackTable the P2P interface over LAN type higher layer SHALL be
>>  network layer "ipForward" to enable IP routing, and the P2P interface
>>  over LAN type lower layer SHOULD be any link data layer that can be
>>  bound to "ipForward" including "ethernetCsmacd", "ieee8023adLag",
>>  "l2vlan", and so on (defined in IANA).
>> -->
>> 
>> 
>> 9) <!-- [rfced] IANA indicates that they will complete these actions closer to the time of publication per instructions from the YANG doctors.  
>> For our clarity, does "YANG iana-if-type module" refer to https://www.iana.org/assignments/yang-parameters/iana-if-type@2022-03-07.yang? 
>> If yes, is the reference to RFC 8561 correct?  We only see the following that refer to RFC 8561:
>> 
>> identity microwaveCarrierTermination {
>>   base iana-interface-type;
>>   description
>>     "air interface of a single microwave carrier.";
>>   reference
>>     "RFC 8561 - A YANG Data Model for Microwave Radio Link";  } 
>> identity microwaveRadioLinkTerminal {
>>   base iana-interface-type;
>>   description
>>     "radio link interface for one or several aggregated microwave carriers.";
>>   reference
>>     "RFC 8561 - A YANG Data Model for Microwave Radio Link";
>> 
>> Original: 
>>  IANA is
>>  requested to amend the reference for that code point to be to this
>>  document and to make a similar amendment in the YANG iana-if-type
>>  module (originally specified in [RFC7224]) which currently points to
>>  [RFC8561], as this document explains how the ifType is to be used.
>> -->
>> 
>> 
>> 10) <!-- [rfced] Should "LAG" be expanded as Link Aggregation Group or something else?
>> 
>> Original:
>>  In the case of underlying interface is LAG, the ifStackTable should
>>  be defined as:
>> -->
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
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>> 
>> 
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>> RFC9296 (draft-liu-lsr-p2poverlan-12)
>> 
>> Title            : Interface Stack Table Definition and Example for Point-to-Point (P2P) Interface over LAN
>> Author(s)        : D. Liu, J. Halpern, C. Zhang
>> WG Chair(s)      : 
>> Area Director(s) : 
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