Re: [auth48] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9408 <draft-ietf-opsawg-sap-15> for your review
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Subject: Re: [auth48] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9408 <draft-ietf-opsawg-sap-15> for your review
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Hi, Samier and Victor. We have noted your approvals on the AUTH48 status page: https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9408 Thank you! RFC Editor/lb > On May 31, 2023, at 6:15 AM, Victor Lopez (Nokia) <victor.lopez@nokia.com> wrote: > > Hi > I’m good to go too. > Thanks > Regards, > Victor > From: Samier Barguil Giraldo (Nokia) <samier.barguil_giraldo@nokia.com> > Date: Wednesday, 31 May 2023 at 07:24 > To: Lynne Bartholomew <lbartholomew@amsl.com>, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> > Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org <rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org>, oscar.gonzalezdedios@telefonica.com <oscar.gonzalezdedios@telefonica.com>, bill.wu@huawei.com<bill.wu@huawei.com>, Victor Lopez (Nokia) <victor.lopez@nokia.com>, opsawg-ads@ietf.org <opsawg-ads@ietf.org>, opsawg-chairs@ietf.org <opsawg-chairs@ietf.org>, adrian@olddog.co.uk <adrian@olddog.co.uk>, rwilton@cisco.com <rwilton@cisco.com>, auth48archive@rfc-editor.org <auth48archive@rfc-editor.org> > Subject: RE: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9408 <draft-ietf-opsawg-sap-15> for your review > Hello Lynne, > > This version looks good to me and I approve its publication. > > Regards, > > Samier Barguil > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lynne Bartholomew <lbartholomew@amsl.com> > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2023 6:35 PM > To: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org; oscar.gonzalezdedios@telefonica.com; Samier Barguil Giraldo (Nokia) <samier.barguil_giraldo@nokia.com>; bill.wu@huawei.com; Victor Lopez (Nokia) <victor.lopez@nokia.com>; opsawg-ads@ietf.org; opsawg-chairs@ietf.org; adrian@olddog.co.uk; rwilton@cisco.com; auth48archive@rfc-editor.org > Subject: Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9408 <draft-ietf-opsawg-sap-15> for your review > > > CAUTION: This is an external email. Please be very careful when clicking links or opening attachments. See the URL nok.it/ext for additional information. > > > > Hi, Med. > > We have changed "which" to "that" per your note below. > > The latest files are posted here. Please refresh your browser: > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9408.txt > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9408.pdf > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9408.html > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9408.xml > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9408-diff.html > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9408-rfcdiff.html > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9408-auth48diff.html > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9408-lastdiff.html > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9408-lastrfcdiff.html > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9408-xmldiff1.html > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9408-xmldiff2.html > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9408-alt-diff.html > > We have also noted your approval on the AUTH48 status page: > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9408 > > Many thanks to you for your help and patience! > > RFC Editor/lb > > > On May 24, 2023, at 10:46 PM, <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Lynne, > > > > Thank you for taking care of the changes. > > > > For item 17: s/which/that > > > > Other than that, this version looks good to me and I approve its publication. > > > > Many thanks for your careful edits. Much appreciated as usual. > > > > Cheers, > > Med > > > >> -----Message d'origine----- > >> De : Lynne Bartholomew <lbartholomew@amsl.com> Envoyé : mercredi 24 > >> mai 2023 20:44 À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET > >> <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> Cc : rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org; > >> oscar.gonzalezdedios@telefonica.com; > >> samier.barguil_giraldo@nokia.com; bill.wu@huawei.com; > >> victor.lopez@nokia.com; opsawg-ads@ietf.org; opsawg-chairs@ietf.org; > >> adrian@olddog.co.uk; rwilton@cisco.com; auth48archive@rfc-editor.org > >> Objet : Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9408 <draft-ietf-opsawg-sap-15> for > >> your review > >> > >> Hi, Med. > >> > >> Thank you for the emails and clarifications! We have updated this > >> document per your notes below. > >> > >> Regarding singular vs. plural: We reverted to the style used in the > >> original, even though there are several instances of "VPNs" as used > >> in the original (e.g., the second sentence of the Introduction). We > >> followed suit with UNI/NNI vs. UNIs/NNIs and UNI-N (i.e., reverted > >> our updates). > >> > >> = = = = = > >> > >> Regarding this question and your reply: > >> > >>>> 1) <!-- [rfced] We changed "A YANG Model" to "A YANG Network > >> Model" > >>>> in the abbreviated (running) document title to match "Network > >> Model" > >>>> in the full title. Please let us know any concerns. > >>>> > >>>> Original: > >>>> A YANG Model for SAPs > >>>> > >>>> Currently: > >>>> A YANG Network Model for SAPs --> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> [Med] The mention of "network model" is important here to insist > >> that this is not about a device data model. We can update the title > >> to align with the usage in RFC9182/9291: > >>> > >>> NEW: > >>> A YANG Network Data Model for Service Attachment Points (SAPs) > >> > >> Perhaps we misunderstood your request. The expanded "SAPs" made the > >> abbreviated title too long. We received this warning: > >> > >> Warning: Expected a title or title abbreviation of not more than 40 > >> character for the page header, found 62 characters > >> > >> We changed the full title to "A YANG Network Data Model for Service > >> Attachment Points (SAPs)" and the abbreviated title to "A YANG > >> Network Data Model for SAPs". Please let us know any concerns. > >> > >> = = = = = > >> > >> Regarding this question and your "NEW" text: > >> > >>>> 17) <!-- [rfced] Appendix D: This sentence did not parse. We > >>>> updated the text per the last sentence of Appendix A, Paragraph > >> 1. > >>>> If this update is incorrect, please clarify the meaning of "and > >> that > >>>> none of ...". > >>>> > >>>> Original: > >>>> This is > >>>> particularly inferred from the administrative 'service-status' > >>>> which > >>>> is set to 'ietf-vpn-common:admin-down' for all the services that > >> are > >>>> supported by these two SAPs and that none of the anomalies > >> discussed > >>>> in Section 5 are detected. > >>>> > >>>> Currently: > >>>> This is > >>>> particularly inferred from the administrative 'service-status', > >> which > >>>> is set to 'ietf-vpn-common:admin-down' for all the services that > >> are > >>>> supported by these two SAPs. Note that none of the anomalies > >>>> discussed in Section 5 are detected. --> > >>>> > >>> > >>> [Med] What about: > >>> > >>> NEW: > >>> This is > >>> particularly inferred from (1) the administrative 'service- > >> status' which > >>> is set to 'ietf-vpn-common:admin-down' for all the services that > >> are > >>> supported by these two SAPs and (2) the absence of the anomalies > >> discussed > >>> in Section 5. > >> > >> Is the administrative 'service-status' only sometimes set to 'ietf- > >> vpn-common:admin-down' (in which case "which" should be "that"), or > >> is it always set to 'ietf-vpn-common:admin-down' (in which case a > >> comma should precede the "which")? > >> > >> = = = = = > >> > >> The latest files are posted here. Please refresh your browser: > >> > >> > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9408.txt > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9408.pdf > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9408.html > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9408.xml > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9408-diff.html > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9408-rfcdiff.html > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9408-auth48diff.html > > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9408-alt-diff.html > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9408-xmldiff1.html > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9408-xmldiff2.html > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9408-alt-diff.html > >> Thanks again! > >> > >> RFC Editor/lb > >> > >> > >>> On May 23, 2023, at 10:29 AM, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Lynne, > >>> > >>> Sure. The proposed change is as follows: > >>> > >>> OLD: > >>> * L3VPNs [RFC4364] > >>> > >>> * Virtual Private LAN Services (VPLSs) [RFC4761] [RFC4762] > >>> > >>> * Virtual Private Wire Services (VPWSs) [RFC8214] > >>> > >>> * BGP MPLS-based Ethernet VPNs [RFC7432] > >>> > >>> * VPWSs in Ethernet VPNs [RFC8214] > >>> > >>> * Provider Backbone Bridging combined with Ethernet VPNs (PBB- > >> EVPNs) > >>> [RFC7623] > >>> > >>> * VXLAN-based EVPNs [RFC8365] ("VXLAN" stands for "Virtual > >>> eXtensible Local Area Network") > >>> > >>> * Virtual Networks [RFC8453] > >>> > >>> * Enhanced VPN (VPN+) [ENHANCED-VPN] > >>> > >>> * Network slices [IETF-NETWORK-SLICES] > >>> > >>> * SD-WAN overlay networks [BGP-SDWAN-USAGE] > >>> > >>> * Basic IP connectivity > >>> > >>> NEW: > >>> * L3VPN [RFC4364] > >>> > >>> * Virtual Private LAN Service (VPLS) [RFC4761] [RFC4762] > >>> > >>> * Virtual Private Wire Service (VPWS) [RFC8214] > >>> > >>> * BGP MPLS-based Ethernet VPN [RFC7432] > >>> > >>> * VPWS in Ethernet VPN [RFC8214] > >>> > >>> * Provider Backbone Bridging combined with Ethernet VPN (PBB- > >> EVPN) > >>> [RFC7623] > >>> > >>> * VXLAN-based EVPN [RFC8365] ("VXLAN" stands for "Virtual > >>> eXtensible Local Area Network") > >>> > >>> * Virtual Networks [RFC8453] > >>> > >>> * Enhanced VPN (VPN+) [ENHANCED-VPN] > >>> > >>> * Network slice service [IETF-NETWORK-SLICES] > >>> > >>> * SD-WAN [BGP-SDWAN-USAGE] > >>> > >>> * Basic IP connectivity > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Med > >> > >> > >> = = = = = = = = > >> > >>> On May 23, 2023, at 4:28 AM, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com wrote: > >>> > >>> Re-, > >>> > >>> Thanks for sharing this edited version. Overall, the edits look > >> good. However: > >>> > >>> (1) Rather than using the plural form as suggested in the edited > >> version, I would maintain the singular form of the services > >> (Original) listed right after: > >>> > >>> A SAP network topology can be used for one or multiple service > >> types > >>> ('service-type'). Examples of supported service types are as > >>> follows: > >>> > >>> For example, we are referring to "VPN" as a service, not the VPN > >> instances of the service. FWIW, this would be consistent with the > >> usage in Section 3 of RFC9181. > >>> > >>> The same apply for the changes in the abstract, but I'm OK to > >> maintain the edits in the abstract if you prefer. > >>> > >>> (2) I'm not sure we need to add "see" when pointing to refs. I > >> would revert to the OLD versions. There are many occurrences in the > >> edited version. > >>> > >>> (3) Please make this change in Section 2: > >>> > >>> OLD: > >>> Attachment Circuit (AC): A channel that connects a Customer > >> Edge > >>> (CE) to a Provider Edge (PE). The AC may be a physical or > >> logical > >>> link (Section 6.1 of [RFC4026]). > >>> > >>> NEW: > >>> Attachment Circuit (AC): A channel that connects a Customer > >> Edge > >>> (CE) to a Provider Edge (PE). > >>> > >>> FWIW, this change was shared with the WG since 02/23. The > >> rationale can be seen at: > >> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fma > >> ilarchive.ietf.org%2Farch%2Fmsg%2Fopsawg%2F_Iiv16zSUnnGuSxywvXlROqh2 > >> AI%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cmohamed.boucadair%40orange.com%7C0db08cfbe50745 > >> 6f7f9f08db5c871280%7C90c7a20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20%7C0%7C0%7C6382 > >> 05510092419895%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV > >> 2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=DF8f31Dp > >> wQBzL0SCCEm1WQaz1Z2aBOT1i2IVVt83m4c%3D&reserved=0. > >>> > >>> Thank you. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Med > >> > >> = = = = = = = = > >> > >>> On May 23, 2023, at 12:49 AM, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com wrote: > >>> > >>> Dear RFC Editor, all, > >>> > >>> Please see inline. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Med > >>> > >>>> -----Message d'origine----- > >>>> De : rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org <rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org> Envoyé : > >>>> lundi 22 mai 2023 22:44 À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET > >>>> <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>; > >>>> oscar.gonzalezdedios@telefonica.com; > >>>> samier.barguil_giraldo@nokia.com; bill.wu@huawei.com; > >>>> victor.lopez@nokia.com Cc : rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org; > >>>> opsawg-ads@ietf.org; opsawg- chairs@ietf.org; adrian@olddog.co.uk; > >>>> rwilton@cisco.com; auth48archive@rfc-editor.org Objet : Re: AUTH48: > >>>> RFC-to-be 9408 <draft-ietf-opsawg-sap-15> for your review > >>>> > >>>> Authors, > >>>> > >>>> While reviewing this document during AUTH48, please resolve (as > >>>> necessary) the following questions, which are also in the XML file. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 1) <!-- [rfced] We changed "A YANG Model" to "A YANG Network > >>>> Model" in the abbreviated (running) document title to match > >>>> "Network Model" in the full title. Please let us know any > >>>> concerns. > >>>> > >>>> Original: > >>>> A YANG Model for SAPs > >>>> > >>>> Currently: > >>>> A YANG Network Model for SAPs --> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> [Med] The mention of "network model" is important here to insist > >> that this is not about a device data model. We can update the title > >> to align with the usage in RFC9182/9291: > >>> > >>> NEW: > >>> A YANG Network Data Model for Service Attachment Points (SAPs) > >>> > >>> > >>>> 2) <!-- [rfced] Abstract and subsequent: It looks a bit odd to > >>>> use "User-Network Interface" for "UNI" but "Network-to-Network > >>>> Interface" > >>>> for "NNI" and "UNI-N (User-to-Network Interface, Network side) > >>>> [RFC6215]" as seen in Section 3. > >>>> > >>>> Does "User-Network Interface" mean "User-to-Network Interface", > >>> > >>> [Med] Yes. Both are actually used in existing RFCs. "User-Network > >> Interface" is what is used by some other SDOs (see, e.g., the MEF > >> refs in the I-D). That's said, we need to be consistent and use the > >> same form for both UNI and NNI. > >>> > >>> as > >>>> used in some RFCs? Or does it mean "the user network's > >>>> interface"? > >>>> > >>>> (Side note: We see a few instances of "Network-Network > >> Interface" > >>>> in published RFCs, but "Network-to-Network Interface" is used > >> more > >>>> often.) > >>> > >>> [Med] OK to use "*-to-*" for both UNI/NNI. > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Original: > >>>> Both User-Network Interface (UNI) and Network-to- Network > >>>> Interface (NNI) are supported in the SAP data model. > >>>> ... > >>>> Given that User-Network Interface (UNI) and Network-to-Network > >>>> Interface (NNI) are reference points that are widely used by > >>>> operators to indicate the demarcation points when delivering > >>>> services, both UNI and NNI SAPs are supported in the document. > >>>> ... > >>>> etc. --> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 3) <!-- [rfced] Section 1: This sentence did not parse. We > >>>> updated it as follows. If this is incorrect, please provide > >>>> clarifying text. > >>>> > >>>> Original: > >>>> Whether a SAP topology is dedicated to services of a specific > >>>> service type, an individual service, or shared among many > >> services > >>>> of different types is deployment specific. > >>>> > >>>> Currently: > >>>> Whether a SAP topology is dedicated to services of a specific > >>>> service type or an individual service, or is shared among many > >>>> services of different types, is deployment specific. --> > >>>> > >>> > >>> [Med] Works for me. Thanks. > >>> > >>>> > >>>> 4) <!-- [rfced] Section 3: We changed "the module" to "the > >> model" > >>>> in the second sentence here, as it appears that the text refers > >> to > >>>> the model and not to the YANG module provided in Section 6. If > >>>> this update is incorrect, please provide clarifying text. > >>>> > >>>> Original (the previous sentence is included for context): > >>>> The model is also used to retrieve the network reference points > >>>> where a service is being delivered to customers. For services > >>>> that require resources from peer networks, the module can also > >> be > >>>> used to expose NNIs. > >>>> > >>>> Currently: > >>>> The model is also used to retrieve the network reference points > >>>> where a service is being delivered to customers. > >>>> For services that require resources from peer networks, the model > >>>> can also be used to expose NNIs. --> > >>>> > >>> > >>> [Med] OK. > >>> > >>>> > >>>> 5) <!-- [rfced] Please review each artwork element in this > >>>> document. > >>>> Specifically, should any artwork element be tagged as sourcecode > >>>> or another element? For example, are Figures 7, 9, 10, and 12 in > >>>> the appendices JSON? > >>> > >>> [Med] Yes. > >>> > >>> If yes, should an Informative Reference be > >>>> provided - perhaps to RFC 8259 - in text just prior to Figure 7? > >>> > >>> [Med] I suggest to add the following + list 7951 as an Informative > >> Reference: > >>> > >>> NEW: > >>> The message body depicted in the figures is encoded following the > >>> the JSON encoding of YANG-modeled data as per [[RFC7951]. > >>> > >>>> > >>>> If the current list of preferred values for "type" > >>>> > >> (https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2 > >>>> Fwww.rfc-editor.org%2Fmaterials%2Fsourcecode- > >>>> > >> types.txt&data=05%7C01%7Cmohamed.boucadair%40orange.com%7Caa068512 > >>>> > >> cee44609f0ca08db5b055b54%7C90c7a20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20%7C0%7C > >>>> > >> 0%7C638203851114072726%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDA > >>>> > >> iLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sd > >>>> > >> ata=5NjV1F%2B24%2F8MtaBk3IgE0S0PTB9M31fHpqEG%2BjJoI2k%3D&reserved= > >>>> 0) > >>>> does not contain an applicable type, then feel free to let us > >>>> know. > >>>> Also, it is acceptable to leave the "type" attribute not set. --> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 6) <!-- [rfced] Section 3: As we don't see "P node" or "P nodes" > >>>> mentioned anywhere else in this document and the next sentence > >>>> after > >>>> this text mentions Figure 2 (which shows PE nodes), we changed > >>>> "P nodes" to "PE nodes" here. If this is incorrect, please > >>>> provide > >>>> text that clarifies the meaning of "P nodes". > >>> > >>> [Med] The OLD version is correct. Please revert back. > >>> > >>> "P" nodes are hidden in the cloud shown in Figure 2, for example. > >> We used to have these nodes drawn there but we removed them to > >> simplify the figures. > >>> > >>> FWIW, please see > >> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fda > >> tatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Frfc4026%23autoid- > >> 37&data=05%7C01%7Cmohamed.boucadair%40orange.com%7C0db08cfbe507456f7 > >> f9f08db5c871280%7C90c7a20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20%7C0%7C0%7C6382055 > >> 10092419895%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2lu > >> MzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=4Ad1rENUXqN > >> VFtbzWrWtrTpD7n70XxR4SnEKvVPuB3w%3D&reserved=0. > >>> > >>> If needed, we can make this change: s/P nodes/P nodes (Section > >> 5.3.1 of [RFC4026]) > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Original (the next sentence is included for context): > >>>> The service orchestration layer does not need to know about all > >>>> the > >>>> internals of the underlying network (e.g., P nodes). Figure 2 > >>>> shows > >>>> the abstract network view as seen by a service orchestrator. > >>>> > >>>> Currently: > >>>> The service orchestration layer does not need to know about all > >>>> the > >>>> internals of the underlying network (e.g., PE nodes). --> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 7) <!-- [rfced] Section 4: We had trouble following the use of > >>>> capitalization in this sentence (for example, as compared to > >>>> "SAP network model"). > >>>> > >>>> Original: > >>>> The SAP network model augments the Network model [RFC8345] > >>>> and imports the Network Topology model, while other technology- > >>>> specific topology models (e.g., Traffic Engineering (TE) > >>>> Topologies > >>>> model [RFC8795] or Layer 3 Topologies model [RFC8346]) augment > >>>> the > >>>> Network Topology model. > >>>> > >>>> Possibly: > >>>> The SAP network model augments the network model defined in > >>>> [RFC8345] and imports the network topology model defined in > >>>> [RFC8345], while other technology-specific topology models (e.g., > >>>> the model for Traffic Engineering (TE) topologies [RFC8795] or > >>>> the > >>>> model for Layer 3 topologies [RFC8346]) augment the network > >>>> topology model defined in [RFC8345]. --> > >>>> > >>> > >>> [Med] OK. > >>> > >>>> > >>>> 8) <!-- [rfced] Section 4: We see that "TP" and "TTP" are > >> defined > >>>> in > >>>> this paragraph, but these abbreviations are not used again. > >> Which > >>>> of > >>>> the following update options would you prefer? > >>>> > >>>> 1. Use "TP" instead of "termination point" in the eight > >> subsequent > >>>> instances of this term (except for Section 6, where we would > >>>> change > >>>> "parent termination point" to "parent termination point (TP)" and > >>>> then use "TP" in the next sentence). > >>>> > >>>> 2. Remove the abbreviations from this paragraph and spell out > >>>> "termination point". > >>>> > >>>> Original: > >>>> SAPs can be seen as customer-facing termination points (TPs) with > >>>> specific service provisions. However, a difference between SAPs > >>>> and > >>>> TPs is that links are terminated by a single TP (Section 4.4.6 of > >>>> [RFC8345]) while an AC can be terminated by multiple SAPs. Also, > >>>> a > >>>> SAP is not a tunnel termination point (TTP) (Section 3.6 of > >>>> [RFC8795]) nor a link. --> > >>>> > >>> > >>> [Med] I prefer to leave the Original version with "termination > >> point" expanded. The abbreviations are included to help readers > >> correlate with other context. I don't think a change is needed here. > >>> > >>>> > >>>> 9) <!-- [rfced] Section 5: Should "network modules" and "SAP > >>>> network > >>>> module" in these sentences be "network models" and "SAP network > >>>> model"? We ask (particularly in the case of "SAP network > >> module") > >>>> because of this sentence from Section 4.4 of [RFC8969], as it > >> does > >>>> not use the word "module": > >>>> > >>>> "Service Decomposition allows to decompose service models at the > >>>> service level or network models at the network level into a set > >>>> of > >>>> device models at the device level." > >>>> > >>>> Original: > >>>> | Leveraging the service types defined in [RFC9181] is meant to > >>>> | ease the correlation between the SAP topology and the > >>>> | corresponding network modules that are used to provision a > >>>> | specific service over a provider's network. > >>>> ... > >>>> That mapping is used, for example, > >>>> when the controller translates this SAP network module into > >>>> device > >>>> modules (Section 4.4 of [RFC8969]). > >>>> > >>>> Possibly: > >>>> | Leveraging the service types defined in [RFC9181] is meant to > >>>> | ease the correlation between the SAP topology and the > >>>> | corresponding network models that are used to provision a > >>>> | specific service over a provider's network. > >>>> ... > >>>> That mapping is used, for example, > >>>> when the controller translates this SAP network model into device > >>>> models (Section 4.4 of [RFC8969]). --> > >>>> > >>> > >>> [Med] Works for me. Thanks. > >>> > >>>> > >>>> 10) <!-- [rfced] Section 5: Please clarify the meaning of "in > >>>> association" in this sentence. > >>>> > >>>> Original (the previous sentence is included for context): > >>>> The same SAP may appear under distinct service types. In such a > >>>> case, the same identifier is used for these service types in > >>>> association. > >>>> > >>>> Possibly: > >>>> The same SAP may appear under distinct service types. In such a > >>>> case, the same identifier is used for these service types in > >>>> order to associate them. --> > >>>> > >>> > >>> [Med] What about: > >>> > >>> NEW: > >>> The same SAP may appear under distinct service types. In such a > >>> case, the same identifier is used for a shared SAP for each of > >> these > >>> service types. > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> 11) <!-- [rfced] Section 5: As we do not see "mode" or "modes" > >>>> used > >>>> anywhere else in this document, we changed "device modes" to > >>>> "device > >>>> models" in this sentence. > >>> > >>> [Med] The change is correct. Thanks for catching this. > >>> > >>> > >>> If this is incorrect, should the use of > >>>> "modes" be clarified for readers? > >>>> > >>>> Original: > >>>> It > >>>> is the responsibility of the controller to ensure that consistent > >>>> references are used in the SAP and underlying device modes or any > >>>> other device inventory mechanism. > >>>> > >>>> Currently: > >>>> The controller is responsible for ensuring that consistent > >>>> references are used in the SAP and underlying device models or > >>>> any > >>>> other device inventory mechanism. --> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 12) <!-- [rfced] Sections 5 and 6: We defined "IRB" as > >>>> "Integrated > >>>> Routing and Bridging (IRB) interface", per RFC 9135 and other > >>>> post-6000 published RFCs. > >>>> > >>>> Also, please note that in Section 6 we expanded "IP-VRF" as "IP > >>>> Virtual Routing and Forwarding" for ease of the reader. > >>>> > >>> > >>> [Med] OK. > >>> > >>>> Please let us know any concerns. > >>>> > >>>> Original: > >>>> 'interface-type': Indicates whether a SAP is bound to a physical > >>>> port, a loopback interface, a Link Aggregation Group (LAG) > >>>> interface [IEEE802.1AX], an Integrated Routing Bridge (IRB) > >>>> (e.g., > >>>> [RFC9135]), a local bridge reference, etc. > >>>> ... > >>>> "Integrated Routing Bridge (IRB). An IRB typically > >>>> connects an IP-VRF to a bridge domain."; > >>>> > >>>> Currently: > >>>> 'interface-type': Indicates whether a SAP is bound to a physical > >>>> port, a loopback interface, a Link Aggregation Group (LAG) > >>>> interface [IEEE802.1AX], an Integrated Routing and Bridging > >>>> (IRB) > >>>> interface (e.g., see [RFC9135]), a local bridge reference, > >>>> etc. > >>>> ... > >>>> "Integrated Routing and Bridging (IRB) interface. An IRB > >>>> interface typically connects an IP Virtual Routing and > >>>> Forwarding (IP-VRF) entity to a bridge domain."; --> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 13) <!-- [rfced] Section 5: The latest version of > >>>> draft-ietf-teas-ietf-network-slices (-19) does not have a > >>>> Section 2.1, nor does the version (-18) provided in the original > >>>> copy of this document. > >>> > >>> [Med] That section was renumbered to Section 3.2 > >> (https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fa > >> uthor-tools.ietf.org%2Fiddiff%3Furl1%3Ddraft-ietf-teas-ietf-network- > >> slices-16%26url2%3Ddraft-ietf-teas-ietf-network-slices- > >> 17%26difftype%3D-- > >> html&data=05%7C01%7Cmohamed.boucadair%40orange.com%7C0db08cfbe507456 > >> f7f9f08db5c871280%7C90c7a20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20%7C0%7C0%7C63820 > >> 5510092576163%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2 > >> luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=KkFAYskXL > >> 21ew74%2Fntlb1YH7PhVpXlR%2BLMs13aBX5kc%3D&reserved=0). > >>> > >>> What about: > >>> > >>> s/Section 2.1 of [I-D.ietf-teas-ietf-network-slices]/the "Core > >> Terminology" Section of [I-D.ietf-teas-ietf-network-slices] > >>> > >>> > >>> Please see > >>>> > >> <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2 > >>>> Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-teas-ietf- > >> network- > >>>> slices- > >>>> > >> 19&data=05%7C01%7Cmohamed.boucadair%40orange.com%7Caa068512cee4460 > >>>> > >> 9f0ca08db5b055b54%7C90c7a20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20%7C0%7C0%7C638 > >>>> > >> 203851114072726%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIj > >>>> > >> oiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=4p4 > >>>> ZMp%2Fa%2FEGEBxPsKQEOs1bVFLF21uIZx8M0kDSexOQ%3D&reserved=0>, > >>>> and let us know which section number should be cited. > >>>> > >>>> Original: > >>>> Examples of such a reference are: a site identifier (Section 6.3 > >>>> of [RFC8299]), a Service Demarcation Point (SDP) identifier > >>>> (Section 2.1 of [I-D.ietf-teas-ietf-network-slices]), and the IP > >>>> address of a peer Autonomous System Border Router (ASBR). --> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 14) <!-- [rfced] Section 6: Informative Reference RFC 8343 is > >> not > >>>> mentioned anywhere else in this document. Is an "import" > >>>> statement > >>>> missing in the YANG module (in which case it should be a > >> Normative > >>>> Reference instead)? > >>>> > >>> > >>> [Med] We used to have an import in a previous version, but forgot > >> to remove it when we updated the design. Please remove 8343 for the > >> references and make this change: > >>> > >>> OLD: > >>> This module imports types from [RFC6991], [RFC8343], [RFC8345], > >> and > >>> [RFC9181]. > >>> > >>> NEW: > >>> This module imports types from [RFC6991], [RFC8345], and > >>> [RFC9181]. > >>> > >>>> Also, because RFC 8453 is referenced in the YANG module, may we > >>>> add > >>>> "This module also references [RFC8453]." after the "This module > >>>> imports" sentence? > >>>> > >>> > >>> [Med] We don't need this change as the ref is already called out > >> in Section 5. > >>> > >>>> Original: > >>>> This module imports types from [RFC6991], [RFC8343], [RFC8345], > >>>> and > >>>> [RFC9181]. > >>>> ... > >>>> reference > >>>> "RFC 8453: Framework for Abstraction and Control of TE > >>>> Networks (ACTN)"; > >>>> ... > >>>> Under Informative References: > >>>> [RFC8343] Bjorklund, M., "A YANG Data Model for Interface > >>>> Management", RFC 8343, DOI 10.17487/RFC8343, March > >>>> 2018, > >>>> > >>>> > >> <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2 > >>>> Fwww.rfc- > >>>> > >> editor.org%2Finfo%2Frfc8343&data=05%7C01%7Cmohamed.boucadair%40ora > >>>> > >> nge.com%7Caa068512cee44609f0ca08db5b055b54%7C90c7a20af34b40bfbc48b > >>>> > >> 9253b6f5d20%7C0%7C0%7C638203851114072726%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8e > >>>> > >> yJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D% > >>>> > >> 7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bg339ojOWZvxVQkbkw9eXQtuazGdWaM6dX5iy62NXqM% > >>>> 3D&reserved=0>. --> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 15) <!-- [rfced] Section 6: Does "independent" refer to > >>>> "Indicates" > >>>> (in which case it should be "independently"), or does it refer to > >>>> "operational status" (in which case the current text is correct)? > >>>> > >>> > >>> [Med] It refers to the "operational status". > >>> > >>>> Original: > >>>> "Indicates the operational status of the SAP, > >>>> independent of any service provisioned over it."; --> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 16) <!-- [rfced] Security Considerations: It appears that RPC > >>>> operations > >>>> do not apply to this document. Please confirm. > >>>> > >>> > >>> [Med] ACK. > >>> > >>>> If you have any questions, please see > >>>> > >> <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2 > >>>> Fwiki.ietf.org%2Fgroup%2Fops%2Fyang-security- > >>>> > >> guidelines&data=05%7C01%7Cmohamed.boucadair%40orange.com%7Caa06851 > >>>> > >> 2cee44609f0ca08db5b055b54%7C90c7a20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20%7C0%7 > >>>> > >> C0%7C638203851114072726%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMD > >>>> > >> AiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&s > >>>> > >> data=7hC%2FMAswX%2Fot7p8qwtaWrZfrRRzpOwwLl2EUWnWlZjU%3D&reserved=0 > >>>>> > >>>> for details. --> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 17) <!-- [rfced] Appendix D: This sentence did not parse. We > >>>> updated > >>>> the text per the last sentence of Appendix A, Paragraph 1. If > >>>> this > >>>> update is incorrect, please clarify the meaning of "and that none > >>>> of ...". > >>>> > >>>> Original: > >>>> This is > >>>> particularly inferred from the administrative 'service-status' > >>>> which > >>>> is set to 'ietf-vpn-common:admin-down' for all the services that > >>>> are > >>>> supported by these two SAPs and that none of the anomalies > >>>> discussed > >>>> in Section 5 are detected. > >>>> > >>>> Currently: > >>>> This is > >>>> particularly inferred from the administrative 'service-status', > >>>> which > >>>> is set to 'ietf-vpn-common:admin-down' for all the services that > >>>> are > >>>> supported by these two SAPs. Note that none of the anomalies > >>>> discussed in Section 5 are detected. --> > >>>> > >>> > >>> [Med] What about: > >>> > >>> NEW: > >>> This is > >>> particularly inferred from (1) the administrative 'service- > >> status' which > >>> is set to 'ietf-vpn-common:admin-down' for all the services that > >> are > >>> supported by these two SAPs and (2) the absence of the anomalies > >> discussed > >>> in Section 5. > >>> > >>>> > >>>> 18) <!-- [rfced] Please review the "Inclusive Language" portion > >> of > >>>> the > >>>> online Style Guide at > >>>> > >> <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2 > >>>> Fwww.rfc- > >>>> > >> editor.org%2Fstyleguide%2Fpart2%2F%23inclusive_language&data=05%7C > >>>> > >> 01%7Cmohamed.boucadair%40orange.com%7Caa068512cee44609f0ca08db5b05 > >>>> > >> 5b54%7C90c7a20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20%7C0%7C0%7C6382038511140727 > >>>> > >> 26%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJ > >>>> > >> BTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2FxEg4CmJqMrsXj > >>>> xFxczqrWX%2FhaHMphrGkImd8eCWeHE%3D&reserved=0>, > >>>> and let us know if any changes are needed. > >>>> > >>>> Note that our script did not flag any words in particular, but > >>>> this > >>>> should still be reviewed as a best practice. --> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> [Med] ACK. > >>> > >>>> 19) <!-- [rfced] The following term was used inconsistently in > >>>> this > >>>> document. 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