Re: [Autoconf] WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Network Autoconfiguration (autoconf)
"Stan Ratliff (sratliff)" <sratliff@cisco.com> Wed, 04 March 2009 21:10 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Autoconf] WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Network Autoconfiguration (autoconf)
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Inline > -----Original Message----- > From: autoconf-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:autoconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ulrich Herberg > Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:51 PM > To: Teco Boot > Cc: autoconf@ietf.org; iesg@ietf.org; T.Clausen@computer.org > Subject: Re: [Autoconf] WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc > Network Autoconfiguration (autoconf) > > Inline > > Teco Boot wrote: > > Inline. > > > > |-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > |Van: autoconf-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:autoconf-bounces@ietf.org] > > |Namens Alexandru Petrescu > > |Verzonden: woensdag 4 maart 2009 18:36 > > |CC: autoconf@ietf.org; iesg@ietf.org; T.Clausen@computer.org > > |Onderwerp: Re: [Autoconf] WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Network > > |Autoconfiguration (autoconf) > > | > > |I would like to suggest: add explicitely that the practical > > |addressing model should work at least with manual and > static routes. > > |And that the practical addressing model should not be > preconditioned > > |by the use of OLSR nor DYMO in the ad-hoc network. > > > > I think the addressing model has little to do with the > method how to > > assign and configure the addresses. This is a next step. I > wonder if > > any model exclude what you are asking for. Worried for some > reason??? > > > I don't see why the charter should explicitly mention that > the addressing model should work with manual and static > routes. As Teco said, this would be part of the solution > space, i.e. it could be part of a draft that describes an > autoconf mechanism. > > > I would not suggest working with static routes in a mobile > ad hoc network. > > > Well, as said, I don't think that's part of the discussion we > lead here concerning the charter. > > I agree on the last one, the model should apply to other > MANET Routing > > Protocols as well. OSPF-MANET is an important one, not forgetting > > others, including multicast. > > > Yes, but I don't think it should be mentioned in the charter. > The charter does not say anything that the addressing model > should have any preconditions for a particular MANET routing > protocol. Otherwise, it would need to list a large number of > routing protocols (OLSR, OLSRv2, OSPF, AODV,....) > > > > |Also suggest: specifically mention which link-layers are being > > |considered for ad-hoc networks. I personally consider 802.11, > > |802.15.4, wired Ethernet, USB and eventually 802.16. If > anybody else > > |considers other link-layers please mention them. > > > > I consider other link layers, but I will not mention them. I do not > > know all details or even a complete list. And if I would, > it doesn't > > help. I think it is sufficient and more useful to describe > the MANET link characteristics. > > > > I agree with Teco. MANETs can run on a number of different L2 > technologies with certain characteristics. These > characteristics should be mentioned in the document to be > written, but not in the charter. In my opinion, no specific > L2 should be mentioned. > > Ulrich Ditto what Ulrich says. I fail to understand why the selection of a Layer 2 technology should impact the assignmnet of Layer 3 addresses, therefore, I see no need to call out any specific L2. Regards, Stan > > Teco. > > > > > > | > > |Alex > > | > > |IESG Secretary a écrit : > > |> A modified charter has been submitted for the Ad-Hoc Network > > |> Autoconfiguration working group in the Internet Area of > the IETF. > > |> The IESG has not made any determination as yet. The modified > > |> charter is provided below for informational purposes > only. Please > > |> send your > > |comments > > |> to the IESG mailing list (iesg@ietf.org) by Wednesday, > March 11, 2009. > > |> > > |> Ad-Hoc Network Autoconfiguration (autoconf) > > |> ------------------------------------------------------------- > > |> Last Modified: 2009-02-18 > > |> > > |> Current Status: Active Working Group > > |> > > |> Additional information is available at tools.ietf.org/wg/autoconf > > |> > > |> Chair(s): > > |> Ryuji Wakikawa [ryuji.wakikawa@gmail.com] Thomas Clausen > > |> [T.Clausen@computer.org] > > |> > > |> Internet Area Director(s): > > |> Jari Arkko [jari.arkko@piuha.net] > > |> Mark Townsley [townsley@cisco.com] > > |> > > |> Internet Area Advisor: > > |> Jari Arkko [jari.arkko@piuha.net] > > |> > > |> Mailing Lists: > > |> General Discussion: autoconf@ietf.org To Subscribe: > > |> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf > > |> Archive: > > |> > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/autoconf/current/maillist.html > > |> > > |> Description of Working Group: > > |> > > |> In order to communicate among themselves, ad hoc nodes (refer to > > |> RFC > > |> 2501) need to configure their network interface(s) with local > > |addresses > > |> that are valid within an ad hoc network. Ad hoc nodes > may also need > > |> to configure globally routable addresses, in order to > communicate > > |> with devices on the Internet. From the IP layer > perspective, an ad > > |> hoc network presents itself as a L3 multi-hop network > formed over a > > |> collection of links. > > |> > > |> The main purpose of the AUTOCONF WG is to describe the addressing > > |model > > |> for ad hoc networks and how nodes in these networks > configure their > > |> addresses. It is required that such models do not cause problems > > |> for > > |ad > > |> hoc-unaware parts of the system, such as standard applications > > |> running on an ad hoc node or regular Internet nodes > attached to the > > |> ad hoc nodes. This group's effort may include the development of > > |> new protocol mechanisms, should the existing IP > autoconfiguration > > |> mechanisms be > > |found > > |> inadequate. However, the first task of the working group is to > > |describe > > |> one practical addressing model for ad hoc networks. > > |> > > |> Once this sole work item is completed, the group can be > rechartered > > |> to work on additional issues. > > |> > > |> Goals and Milestones: > > |> > > |> Apr 2009 Submit initial draft on address configuration in ad hoc > > |networks > > |> Sep 2009 Submit address configuration draft to IESG as > > |> Informational > > |or > > |> close WG > > |> > > |> _______________________________________________ > > |> Autoconf mailing list > > |> Autoconf@ietf.org > > |> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf > > |> > > | > > |_______________________________________________ > > |Autoconf mailing list > > |Autoconf@ietf.org > > |https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Autoconf mailing list > > Autoconf@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf > > > > _______________________________________________ > Autoconf mailing list > Autoconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf >
- Re: [Autoconf] WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Net… Teco Boot
- [Autoconf] WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Network… IESG Secretary
- Re: [Autoconf] WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Net… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Net… Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Net… Ulrich Herberg
- Re: [Autoconf] WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Net… Stan Ratliff (sratliff)
- Re: [Autoconf] WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Net… HyungJin Lim
- Re: [Autoconf] WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Net… HyungJin Lim
- Re: [Autoconf] WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Net… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Net… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Net… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Net… HyungJin Lim
- Re: [Autoconf] WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Net… Alexandru Petrescu
- [Autoconf] WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Network… IESG Secretary
- [Autoconf] Fwd: WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Ne… Ryuji Wakikawa