Re: [Autoconf] Procedure

Thomas Heide Clausen a écrit :
> On Wed, October 28, 2009 5:52 am, Alexandru Petrescu wrote:
> 
>> Thomas Heide Clausen a écrit :
>> 
>>> Carlos,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ok, let's try this, then, to see how much of a hurry we're really
>>> in:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> o Jari, can we have our milestone moved another 5 years into the
>>> future?
>>> 
>> Thomas - can we have agenda requests for the meeting in advance?
>> 
>> 
>> Or are you going to decide only the DT document gets presented -
>> despite the discussion on the draft-bernardos?
>> 
> 
> The working-group is on a tight schedule, and we have specific work
> to do. I therefore would suggest that we do not open up for any odd
> presentation -- we won't have time for that.
> 
> However...
> 
> There have been, as I count it, three documents discussed on the list
>  recently: the Baccelli/Townsley address model document, the 
> Perkins/Baccelli "link model" document and the Carlos/Ronald address
> model document.
> 
> The two latter have emerged in the discussions only recently, but
> appear to be useful for the WG to have presented.
> 
> My *personal* suggestion would be to ask the authors of each of these
>  three documents to present, and if they're willing to do so of
> course have those on the agenda.

Thomas I agree with your personal suggestion - make now a request for 
agenda items.

Your draft agenda is due this midnight - are you ready for it?  Are you
going to act under pressure - again?

And please publish here the draft agenda tomorrow, thank you.

> As for slides in advance, we always try to get them on-line before
> the WG sessions, but as there often is a lot of work ongoing and
> discussions happening between WG participants during the IETF week
> that is being reflected in the presentations, I'm not sure we can
> reasonably do much earlier than that.

I agree mostly.  Some groups manage to get the slides well in advance.
Why not AUTOCONF?

It is useful for people wondering whether attending or not, be it
locally or remotely.

Alex

> 
> Thomas
> 
>> I noticed there's a deadline this midnight for the draft agenda.
>> 
>> 
>> This group never submitted agenda in advance, let alone the slides.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Can we follow - not the procedure - but some widely used IETF
>> manners in this WG too?
>> 
>> Alex
>> 
>> 
>>> ;)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thomas
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, October 28, 2009 5:26 am, Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Hi Thomas,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 05:15 -0700, Thomas Heide Clausen wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, October 28, 2009 4:57 am, Jari Arkko wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Alex,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> YEs I believe it is unreasonable to adopt that single
>>>>>>> document when a competitor document exists and which is
>>>>>>> technically more inline with what I think.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> Also, duly note that the
>>>>> draft-bernardos-autoconf-addressing-model document did not
>>>>> exist and the chairs (and the WG) were not made aware that it
>>>>> was under development, at the time of approval of 
>>>>> draft-ietf-autoconf-...
>>>> True, we have been working on this since last IETF meeting. Had
>>>> we (the authors) known that we were about to adopt a document
>>>> as WG draft, we would have submitted it earlier.
>>>> 
>>>> As I mentioned in a previous e-mail, I think it'd be better to
>>>> have a discussion on the content of both drafts before really
>>>> deciding on which one should be taken as baseline, but this is
>>>> my personal opinion. Sorry, but after 5 years working on this
>>>> (and I've been contributing to the WG since the very beginning)
>>>> I don't buy the "we are in a hurry" argument :-). Discussing
>>>> both drafts in Hiroshima would not harm and may be help.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Carlos
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Your opinion is, however, noted.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thomas
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am aware that you wanted to see the other document
>>>>>> adopted instead. But note that I said "given the opinions
>>>>>> in the group" and not any individual's opinion. We all know
>>>>>> that there is no unanimous agreement about this, but I was
>>>>>> curious if someone thought that the chairs had somehow
>>>>>> missed that a large part of the group disagreed with the
>>>>>> idea of adopting the DT document.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jari
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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