Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" include the headeroverhead
Wesley Eddy <weddy@grc.nasa.gov> Tue, 09 January 2007 01:11 UTC
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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 13:09:21 -0500
From: Wesley Eddy <weddy@grc.nasa.gov>
To: Stephan Wenger <stewe@stewe.org>
Subject: Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" include the headeroverhead
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On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 07:57:43PM +0200, Stephan Wenger wrote: > > On Jan 8, 2007, at 7:39 PM, Lloyd Wood wrote: > > >]...] > > > >Bandwidth is measured in Hz. This isn't that, and accounting for > >all layers and overheads (FEC/coding, etc) is impossible. > > > >"RTP payload receiver link capacity" would be more like it. > > > >Don't use "bandwidth". > > > > I disagree with the last statement. Bandwidth is commonly used > nowadays for as a synonym for bitrate or whatever. 9 out of 10 of > the first hits for the term bandwidth refer to something that has to > do with the number of bits to go from a to b. Wikipedia also > mentions bandwidth in the context of web hosting connectivity. > > Link capacity is something very different. It refers to the "link", > which sounds like "link layer", which disregards the shared nature of > IP link access. IPPM has tried to put some precise definitions in place for other WGs to use (maybe they'd be helpful here): http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ippm-bw-capacity-04.txt -- Wesley M. Eddy Verizon Federal Network Systems _______________________________________________ Audio/Video Transport Working Group avt@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/avt
- [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" incl… Stephan Wenger
- Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … David R Oran
- RE: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Even, Roni
- Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Chandra Umesh.1 (Nokia-NRC/MtView)
- Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Stephan Wenger
- Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Randell Jesup
- Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Randell Jesup
- RE: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Even, Roni
- Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Stephan Wenger
- Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Randell Jesup
- Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Chandra Umesh.1 (Nokia-NRC/MtView)
- Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Lloyd Wood
- Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Stephan Wenger
- Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Lloyd Wood
- Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Wesley Eddy
- Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … geoff.hunt
- Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Carsten Waitzmann
- Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Stephan Wenger
- Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Lloyd Wood
- Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Randell Jesup
- RE: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Even, Roni
- RE: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Franceschini Guido
- Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Randell Jesup
- RE: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Even, Roni
- RE: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Desineni, Harikishan
- Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Randell Jesup
- Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Randell Jesup
- RE: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Desineni, Harikishan
- Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Randell Jesup
- RE: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Desineni, Harikishan
- Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Randell Jesup
- R: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth"in… Franceschini Guido
- RE: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Even, Roni
- RE: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Desineni, Harikishan
- Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Randell Jesup
- Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Magnus Westerlund
- RE: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Desineni, Harikishan
- RE: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Even, Roni
- Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Randell Jesup
- RE: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Even, Roni
- Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Stephan Wenger
- RE: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Even, Roni
- RE: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Desineni, Harikishan
- Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Randell Jesup
- Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Randell Jesup
- Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Magnus Westerlund
- RE: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Even, Roni
- RE: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Desineni, Harikishan
- RE: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Even, Roni
- RE: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Dave Singer
- Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Randell Jesup
- RE: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Even, Roni
- Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Randell Jesup
- RE: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Desineni, Harikishan
- RE: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Desineni, Harikishan
- RE: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth"i… Desineni, Harikishan
- RE: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth"i… Desineni, Harikishan
- Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should "bandwidth" … Magnus Westerlund
- RE: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should"bandwidth"in… Franceschini Guido
- Re: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should"bandwidth"in… Magnus Westerlund
- R: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should"bandwidth"inc… Franceschini Guido
- Re: R: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should"bandwidth… Magnus Westerlund
- RE: R: [AVT] CCM draft review -- should"bandwidth… Franceschini Guido
- RE: R: [AVT] CCM draft review-- should"bandwidth"… Desineni, Harikishan
- Re: R: [AVT] CCM draft review-- should"bandwidth"… Randell Jesup
- RE: R: [AVT] CCM draft review-- should"bandwidth"… Franceschini Guido
- Re: R: [AVT] CCM draft review-- should"bandwidth"… Magnus Westerlund
- RE: R: [AVT] CCM draft review-- should"bandwidth"… Franceschini Guido
- Issues with using tuples in TMMBR was:Re: R: [AVT… Magnus Westerlund
- IETF IPR policy (was Re: R: [AVT] CCM draft revie… Colin Perkins
- RE: Issues with using tuples in TMMBR was:Re: R: … Franceschini Guido
- RE: Issues with using tuples in TMMBR was:Re: R: … Desineni, Harikishan
- RE: Issues with using tuples in TMMBR was:Re: R: … Franceschini Guido
- Re: Issues with using tuples in TMMBR was:Re: R: … Magnus Westerlund
- RE: IETF IPR policy (was Re: R: [AVT] CCM draft r… Franceschini Guido
- Re: IETF IPR policy (was Re: R: [AVT] CCM draft r… Colin Perkins
- Re: Issues with using tuples in TMMBR was:Re: R: … Magnus Westerlund
- RE: Issues with using tuples in TMMBR was:Re: R: … Franceschini Guido
- Re: Issues with using tuples in TMMBR was:Re: R: … Tom-PT Taylor
- Re: Issues with using tuples in TMMBR was:Re: R: … Magnus Westerlund
- RE: Issues with using tuples in TMMBR was:Re: R: … Franceschini Guido
- Re: Issues with using tuples in TMMBR was:Re: R: … Magnus Westerlund
- Re: Issues with using tuples in TMMBR was:Re: R: … Randell Jesup
- Re: Issues with using tuples in TMMBR was:Re: R: … Magnus Westerlund
- Re: Issues with using tuples in TMMBR was:Re: R: … Randell Jesup