Re: [babel] info-model: calculated and received metrics
"STARK, BARBARA H" <bs7652@att.com> Wed, 17 July 2019 14:01 UTC
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From: "STARK, BARBARA H" <bs7652@att.com>
To: 'Juliusz Chroboczek' <jch@irif.fr>
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Subject: Re: [babel] info-model: calculated and received metrics
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I've heard no response to this question. I've confirmed that in TR-181 I do have a problem (a uint with value of 0 or NULL will be transmitted in a TR-181 data model as 0), because it defines "NULL" as: ------------- excerpt from TR-106 Data Model Template -------------------- Each primitive data type has an associated null value that is used, for example, as the expansion of the {{null}} template (A.2.2.4). These null values are defined as follows: * base64, hexBinary, string: an empty string * unsignedInt, unsignedLong: 0 * int, long: -1 * boolean: false * dateTime: 0001-01-01T00:00:00Z (the Unknown Time; see Section 3.2.1) A null reference indicates that a reference parameter is not currently referencing anything. The value that indicates a null reference is the null value for the reference parameter's base data type, i.e.: * string: an empty string * unsignedInt: 0 * int: ------------------------- But since the problem is just in the reporting and not in the Babel implementation's use of the values, maybe I should just mention that users should be careful when interpreting 0, since it can mean the value was not received / calculated? What I could do is something like: babel-route-received-metric: The metric with which this route was advertised by the neighbor, or maximum value to indicate the route was recently retracted and is temporarily unreachable (see Section 3.5.5 of [I-D.ietf-babel-rfc6126bis]). This metric will be NULL if the route was not received from a neighbor. At least one of babel-route- calculated-metric and babel-route-received-metric MUST be non- NULL. Having both be non-NULL is expected for a route that is received and subsequently advertised. This is a 16-bit unsigned integer. Some data models may be unable to distinguish between 0 (zero) and NULL for unsigned integers, which will cause NULL values to be reported as 0. babel-route-calculated-metric: A calculated metric for this route. How the metric is calculated is implementation-specific. Maximum value indicates the route was recently retracted and is temporarily unreachable (see Section 3.5.5 of [I-D.ietf-babel-rfc6126bis]). At least one of babel-route- calculated-metric and babel-route-received-metric MUST be non- NULL. Having both be non-NULL is expected for a route that is received and subsequently advertised. This is a 16-bit unsigned integer. Some data models may be unable to distinguish between 0 (zero) and NULL for unsigned integers, which will cause NULL values to be reported as 0. Barbara > > > For a route to exist in the info model babel-routes object, either > > > the received or calculated metric MUST be non-zero (rfc6126bis only > > > mentions the received metric as being in its route table). > > > > Zero is a perfectly fine value for a metric (actually, the very best). > > Perhaps you meant defined instead of non-zero? > > I don't think I got the descriptions for calculated and received metrics right, > given Juliusz statement that 0 is the best possible metric. What I'm struggling > with, is what value is assigned to these parameters when they aren't > received (for the received metric) or calculated (for the calculated metric)? > Should they be "null"? Wouldn't that be a problem in systems/languages that > don't distinguish between 0 and null for integer types? Or are there no such > languages/systems? > > Here are the descriptions in the current draft: > > babel-route-received-metric: The metric with which this route was > advertised by the neighbor, or maximum value to indicate the route > was recently retracted and is temporarily unreachable (see > Section 3.5.5 of [I-D.ietf-babel-rfc6126bis]). This metric will > be 0 (zero) if the route was not received from a neighbor but was > generated through other means. At least one of babel-route- > calculated-metric and babel-route-received-metric MUST be non- > zero. Having both be non-zero is expected for a route that is > received and subsequently advertised. This is a 16-bit unsigned > integer. > > babel-route-calculated-metric: A calculated metric for this route. > How the metric is calculated is implementation-specific. Maximum > value indicates the route was recently retracted and is > temporarily unreachable (see Section 3.5.5 of > [I-D.ietf-babel-rfc6126bis]). At least one of babel-route- > calculated-metric and babel-route-received-metric MUST be non- > zero. Having both be non-zero is expected for a route that is > received and subsequently advertised. This is a 16-bit unsigned > integer. > > Barbara > > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https- > 3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_babel&d=DwICAg&c=LFYZ- > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=LoGzhC- > 8sc8SY8Tq4vrfog&m=sRdmY_yz1rFLX_CUhRDGHkslpc0QQlaKGcJIsOCpK0s&s > =C8UEVNQ3LdSS0-QKrh8puspZGHWfGPY65gDV-zHQbzI&e=
- [babel] info-model: calculated and received metri… STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [babel] info-model: calculated and received m… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [babel] info-model: calculated and received m… STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [babel] info-model: calculated and received m… STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [babel] info-model: calculated and received m… Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
- Re: [babel] info-model: calculated and received m… Mahesh Jethanandani
- Re: [babel] info-model: calculated and received m… STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [babel] info-model: calculated and received m… STARK, BARBARA H