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From: "Gunter van de Velde (Nokia)" <gunter.van_de_velde@nokia.com>
To: Juliusz Chroboczek <jch@irif.fr>, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>
CC: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-babel-rtt-extension@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-babel-rtt-extension@ietf.org>, "babel-chairs@ietf.org" <babel-chairs@ietf.org>, "babel@ietf.org" <babel@ietf.org>, Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [babel] Warren Kumari's Discuss on draft-ietf-babel-rtt-extension-05: (with DISCUSS)
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Hi Warren, Juliusz,

Please find the diff:
https://author-tools.ietf.org/diff?doc_1=draft-ietf-babel-rtt-extension-05&doc_2=draft-ietf-babel-rtt-extension-06

Has the dust settled on this open topic?
Are there any remaining showstoppers from your side?

G/

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Subject: Re: Warren Kumari's Discuss on draft-ietf-babel-rtt-extension-05: (with DISCUSS)

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Hi Warren,

> take heart and readeth
> https://www.ietf.org/blog/handling-iesg-ballot-positions/ , which 
> contains many words on handling ballots. For, as it sayeth upon the 
> lid of the tin: "A DISCUSS ballot is a request to have a discussion"...

Thanks for the encouragement.  (As a side note, the document also says "ADs are careful and considered when balloting DISCUSS".  It is not clear to me whether this statement is prescriptive or descriptive, and I'm not sure to what extent it matches the reality.)

> One major concern of mine is that it says: "Updates: 8967 (if approved)"

As mentioned in an earlier reply, this is a mistake.  Sorry for that.

> The shepherds writeup notes that this document is Standards Track 
> because it needs to update a Standards Track document, but no-where in 
> the document does it actually say **how** it updates RFC8967. Perhaps 
> the header intended to say that the documents updates RFC8966? Even if 
> that is the case, the document doesn't actually say **how** it updates 
> it... The Abstract should say "This document updates RFC896X by fooing 
> the bar and twiddling the baz." (or similar)

Fully agreed.  I'll ask Donald for advice whether it should Update 8966 or not update anything.  (My preference is the former.)

-- Juliusz

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