Re: [babel] I-D Action: draft-ietf-babel-information-model-14.txt

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Hi Tom,

> Barbara
> 
> I was looking at babel-yang-model and realised that it was impossible to
> understand without a comprehensive understanding of babel-information-model
> so the latter is clearly a Normative Reference.  Except, of course, that the latter
> has been put forward as Informational which is perhaps why the YANG I-D lists
> the latter as an Informational Reference but I cannot see that approach going
> anywhere ie it immediately becomes a downref:-(
> 
> In passing, imports of IETF modules must use the prefix specified in the RFC
> which the import of ietf-yang-types here does not.
> 
> Tom Petch

You ask a very interesting question. I don't recall having that conversation in the WG (but it might have slipped my mind). I see from the charter that the deliverable was slated for Proposed Standard. The draft has gone through the complete WG process and (I think) has the full support of the WG -- so I don't *think* the WG would object to the information model as a Proposed Standard. I wouldn't object. I don't know if people in IETF or IESG would object. Thanks for asking?
Barbara