Re: [bess] AD Review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-bidir-ingress-replication-02

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Subject: Re: [bess] AD Review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-bidir-ingress-replication-02
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Hi Jeffrey, Alvaroo,

2015-09-28, Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang:
>
> Alvaro,
>
> > I-D.ietf-bess-ir and I-D.ietf-bess-mvpn-extranet should be Normative 
> References.
>
> I thought about this further, and would like to keep them both as 
> informational for the following reasons.
>
> The extranet draft is referred to in the draft as following:
>
>    … The label may be shared
>
>    with other P-tunnels, subject to the anti-ambiguity rules for
>
>    extranet [I-D.ietf-bess-mvpn-extranet 
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-bidir-ingress-replication-02#ref-I-D.ietf-bess-mvpn-extranet>].
>
> Both extranet and label sharing are optional, not required for 
> implementing the procedures in this draft.
>

I agree with that.
To make it more obvious that this is an informative comment, I think you 
could rewrite as: "These specifications do not prevent sharing of labels 
between P-tunnels (note that other specs put constraints on how that can 
be done, such as [I-D.ietf-bess-mvpn-extranet 
<https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-bidir-ingress-replication-02#ref-I-D.ietf-bess-mvpn-extranet>])".

> As for draft-ietf-bess-ir: RFC 6514 specifies the use of IR P-tunnels, 
> though there are some problems with RFC 6514's specification of IR 
> P-tunnels, which are addressed in detail in draft-ietf-bess-ir.
>
> Draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-bidir-ingress-replication explains how to support 
> a VPN customer's use of BIDIR-PIM when the service provider uses IR 
> P-tunnels, but it doesn't really depend on those details specified in 
> draft-ietf-bess-ir. Thus draft-ietf-bess-ir should not be a normative 
> reference for it.
>

Given that draft-ietf-bess-ir updates RFC6514/RFC6513 which our draft 
depends on Normatively, we might as well avoid mentioning it; making it 
a Normative ref would not buy much (but would delay publication until 
draft-ietf-bess-ir is published).

Since its helpful to remind the reader of its existence, I would think 
it's good to keep it, and Informative is fine.

Best,

-Thomas





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