Re: [bess] Secdir telechat review of draft-ietf-bess-bgp-sdwan-usage-20

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From: Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@futurewei.com>
To: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>, "secdir@ietf.org" <secdir@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [bess] Secdir telechat review of draft-ietf-bess-bgp-sdwan-usage-20
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Stephen,

Can you please check the latest revision  https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-bgp-sdwan-usage/ has addressed your comments?

Thank you,

Linda

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Subject: RE: Secdir telechat review of draft-ietf-bess-bgp-sdwan-usage-20


Stephen,

BGP/TLS has been deployed  (see the attached email from Robert Razuk on using BGP over TLS in  Sproute's SDWAN solution for years) even though there is only a 00 draft for BGP over TLS in IETF.
The document states that analysis of BGP over TLS is beyond the scope.
Is the following sentence better?
      While beyond the scope of this document, conducting a comprehensive analysis might be needed to ensure the security of BGP over TLS [BGP-OVER-TLS]

 << Message: Re: [Last-Call] Last Call: <draft-ietf-bess-bgp-sdwan-usage-19.txt> (BGP Usage for SD-WAN Overlay Networks) to Informational RFC >>
Thank you,
Linda
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Subject: Secdir telechat review of draft-ietf-bess-bgp-sdwan-usage-20

Reviewer: Stephen Farrell
Review result: Has Issues

Draft-20 seems to dial-back the call for BGP/TLS, but OTOH adds text in the security considerations saying that BGP/TLS "is imperative." I'm not sure of the security pitfalls that might arise if one followed the guidance here whilst BGP/TLS is still just a non-wg -00 draft (and hence aspirational), but it seems to me like a possibly dangerous implement.