Re: [Bimi] BIMI/DMARC & PSL vs Tree-walk

Jothan Frakes <jothan@jothan.com> Fri, 19 May 2023 02:29 UTC

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From: Jothan Frakes <jothan@jothan.com>
Date: Thu, 18 May 2023 19:29:22 -0700
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Subject: Re: [Bimi] BIMI/DMARC & PSL vs Tree-walk
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+1

Sounds good.   This "Tree Walk" - I have been calling it an "up-walk", as
it iterates closer to the rightmost dot until it finds its apex when we
have been discussing this approach in DBOUND.   DMARC is a great use for
this "up-walk" approach, as there is tremendous context in the headers and
a limited number of domain name variations involved in the iteration.
Reducing the use of the PSL in places it has narrowly defined and specific
uses like DMARC is something that is very very appreciated.

-J
Jothan Frakes



On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 1:00 PM Tim Hollebeek <tim.hollebeek=
40digicert.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

>
> > The DMARC WG moved away from using the PSL for very valid reasons that
> > probably don't need to be rehashed here. Those reasons are equally valid
> for
> > BIMI. I think that BIMI should follow suit and use whatever mechanism
> > DMARC uses to determine the organisational domain.
>
> +1
>
> -Tim
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