Re: [Cbor] Mirja Kühlewind's Block on charter-ietf-cbor-01-01: (with BLOCK)
"Alexey Melnikov" <aamelnikov@fastmail.fm> Tue, 02 July 2019 14:45 UTC
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Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2019 15:44:45 +0100
From: Alexey Melnikov <aamelnikov@fastmail.fm>
To: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>, Mirja Kuehlewind <ietf@kuehlewind.net>
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Subject: Re: [Cbor] Mirja Kühlewind's Block on charter-ietf-cbor-01-01: (with BLOCK)
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Hi Mirja, On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, at 5:46 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote: > Hi Mirja, > > good points. Details below. > > > On Jun 26, 2019, at 17:27, Mirja Kühlewind via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org> wrote: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > BLOCK: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Not sure if my two points justify a block, so I'm happy to change my position > > if other ADs tell me to, but I'm also not certain if I want to go for "No > > Objection". > > > > Here are my points: > > > > 1) First on this: > > "After that, the CBOR working group will monitor issues found with the CBOR > > specification and, if needed, will produce an updated document." This intention > > seems to contradict the idea of an Internet Standard in RFC2026 a bit: > > "A specification for which significant implementation and successful > > operational experience has been obtained may be elevated to the > > Internet Standard level. An Internet Standard (which may simply be > > referred to as a Standard) is characterized by a high degree of > > technical maturity and by a generally held belief that the specified > > protocol or service provides significant benefit to the Internet > > community." > > Maybe this is nit-picking but if the group is not sure if there are further > > issue, one should probably simply not push for Internet Standard… > > Of course the group is sure about that!!!1one > > Some STD documents do have updates (say, RFC 791 is updated by RFC1349, > RFC2474, RFC6864), but I would actually also feel better without > this apparent escape hatch. We do want to get this right! Ok, I suggest we remove "After that, the CBOR working group will monitor issues found with the CBOR specification and, if needed, will produce an updated document." This would always remain a future possibility, even if the document is an Internet Standard. > > 2) I find the later part of the charter rather generic (starting which "There > > are a number of additional CBOR tagged types..."). I also don't really > > understand the difference of "General purpose" and "Internet-wide". These are > > two different aspects for me that don't exclude each other. I would rather like > > to see a charter that actually limits the technical scope rather than talking > > about a generic process (that may or could be or is applied in other groups as > > well). Are you suggesting that the Charter should just list specific documents and require rechartering once the work is done? > My fault. This was specifically about CBOR Tag definitions, until we > noticed that we might be having some glue/housekeeping like the CBOR > sequence document. But really, this is almost all about CBOR Tag > definitions. > > General purpose vs. Internet-wide: Not all usage of CBOR occurs on the > Internet, so there is a difference, but yes, these generally will > overlap. (Example for non-Internet usage: CBOR can be a great log file > format.) > > So when is a Tag spec in scope: When we expect a general purpose > and/or Internet-wide usage of the Tag (or other CBOR specific > housekeeping document like a media type definition). Is any clarification needed on this point? Best Regards, Alexey
- [Cbor] Mirja Kühlewind's Block on charter-ietf-cb… Mirja Kühlewind via Datatracker
- Re: [Cbor] Mirja Kühlewind's Block on charter-iet… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Cbor] Mirja Kühlewind's Block on charter-iet… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Cbor] Mirja Kühlewind's Block on charter-iet… Mirja Kuehlewind
- Re: [Cbor] Mirja Kühlewind's Block on charter-iet… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Cbor] Mirja Kühlewind's Block on charter-iet… Mirja Kuehlewind
- Re: [Cbor] Mirja Kühlewind's Block on charter-iet… Carsten Bormann