Re: R: Re: [mpls-tp] mpls-tp Dual stack DCN? (was MPLS over OTN)

Ben Niven-Jenkins <benjamin.niven-jenkins@bt.com> Tue, 02 September 2008 22:01 UTC

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Subject: Re: R: Re: [mpls-tp] mpls-tp Dual stack DCN? (was MPLS over OTN)
From: Ben Niven-Jenkins <benjamin.niven-jenkins@bt.com>
To: Dieter Beller <D.Beller@alcatel-lucent.de>, Diego Caviglia <diego.caviglia@ericsson.com>
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That is not a problem for IETF though.  Ben



On 29/08/2008 10:07, "Dieter Beller" <D.Beller@alcatel-lucent.de> wrote:

> ... resent this mail because it did not appear on the mailing lists  :-( .
> 
> Hi Diego,
> 
> 
> Diego Caviglia wrote:
>>  
>> Stewart,
>>            I think i agree here.
>> 
>> Even if i'm coming from sdh i don'e see the need to hane osi capability
>> in brand new mpls-tp boxes.
>>   
> I actually do not fully agree here. If, due to historical reasons, the
> existing DCN
> is an OSI network and if the new MPLS-TP boxes will only understand IP and
> have
> to use the existing OSI-based DCN, then the new MPLS-TP boxes need to support
> at least tunneling of IP over CLNP tunnels. Otherwise, a dual stack DCN would
> indeed be needed (I am assuming here that the existing OSI-only DCN cannot be
> turned into an IP-only DCN).
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Dieter
>>  
>> Br
>> 
>> Diego
>> 
>> 
>>