RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-recovery-analysis-01.txt

Tomonori TAKEDA <takeda.tomonori@lab.ntt.co.jp> Tue, 10 July 2007 07:57 UTC

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To: PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri <Dimitri.Papadimitriou@alcatel-lucent.be>, ccamp@ops.ietf.org
From: Tomonori TAKEDA <takeda.tomonori@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-recovery-analysis-01.txt
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Hi Dimitri,

Thanks for your comments.

Please see in-line.

At 06:10 07/07/10, PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri wrote:
 >tomonori
 >
 >
 >reading through this doc still unclear to me why there is no statement
 >that says (at the end) that the sole issue is due to the fact that
 >ingress node do not see both protecting and working LSPs (by definition
 >of diversity) and therefore across that domain, mechanisms are needed:
 >
 >
 >1. since the problem is only considered in its linear version and
 >associated protecting and working LSP are are both following the same
 >sequence, one needs to resolve the intra-domain/intra-AS trap issue (at
 >the SRLG/node/ link level) and prevent that that two ingress nodes (of
 >the same domain) do not select the same egress node (of that domain) to
 >reach the next domain for both protecting and working LSP ?

This is true when there are only two border nodes (ingress and egress) for 
each domain (well, SRLG diversity where nodes/links in different domains 
belong to the same SRLG is a bit hard, though).

However, when there are more than two border nodes, we need to pick up a 
good pair of border nodes. Please see my separate email to Meral which 
shows such an example.

 >2. when computation is not simultaneous per domain (independently of
 >whether sequentially distributed or centralized) and does not result in
 >strict hops only (implicitly or explcitly), the only thing that remains
 >possible is to condition the first LSP setup with additional constraints
 >during its establishment

I am not sure whether I understand correctly, but if border nodes are 
already selected, the only thing that remains is to select the route within 
each domain.

Thanks,
Tomonori

 >this would for me streamline this analysis in a protocol independent way
 >(observe that point 2 is totally independent of whether PCEs are used or
 >not)
 >
 >
 >now if a protocol analysis needs to be done it needs to account for call
 >segments in which case and compared to BRPC the discussion would be
 >about sequential computation along the downstream or the upstream (or
 >combination)
 >
 >
 >thanks,
 >-d.
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
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 >> Hi,
 >>
 >> A new version of inter-domain recovery analysis I-D have been
 >> published.
 >>
 >> Here are major changes:
 >> - Added text on security considerations section
 >> - Cleaned up text marked "for further study" (various places)
 >> - Added a reference to [PCEP-XRO]
 >> - Enhanced text on computing diverse paths sequentially with
 >> confidentiality
 >>    (Section 5.4.1)
 >> - Moved "terminology" section into "introduction" section
 >> - Removed manageability considerations section
 >> - Polished text
 >>
 >> Authors believe the document is now completed and ready for
 >> WG last call.
 >>
 >> Thanks,
 >> Tomonori
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 >>  >	Title		: Analysis of Inter-domain Label
 >> Switched Path (LSP) Recovery
 >>  >	Author(s)	: T. Takeda, et al.
 >>  >	Filename	:
 >> draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-recovery-analysis-01.txt
 >>  >	Pages		: 23
 >>  >	Date		: 2007-7-6
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 >>  >This document analyzes various schemes to realize
 >> Multiprotocol Label
 >>  >   Switching (MPLS) and Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Label Switched Path
 >>  >   (LSP) recovery in multi-domain networks based on the existing
 >>  >   framework for multi-domain LSPs.
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