RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-recovery-analysis-01.txt
Tomonori TAKEDA <takeda.tomonori@lab.ntt.co.jp> Tue, 10 July 2007 07:57 UTC
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To: PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri <Dimitri.Papadimitriou@alcatel-lucent.be>, ccamp@ops.ietf.org
From: Tomonori TAKEDA <takeda.tomonori@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-recovery-analysis-01.txt
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Hi Dimitri, Thanks for your comments. Please see in-line. At 06:10 07/07/10, PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri wrote: >tomonori > > >reading through this doc still unclear to me why there is no statement >that says (at the end) that the sole issue is due to the fact that >ingress node do not see both protecting and working LSPs (by definition >of diversity) and therefore across that domain, mechanisms are needed: > > >1. since the problem is only considered in its linear version and >associated protecting and working LSP are are both following the same >sequence, one needs to resolve the intra-domain/intra-AS trap issue (at >the SRLG/node/ link level) and prevent that that two ingress nodes (of >the same domain) do not select the same egress node (of that domain) to >reach the next domain for both protecting and working LSP ? This is true when there are only two border nodes (ingress and egress) for each domain (well, SRLG diversity where nodes/links in different domains belong to the same SRLG is a bit hard, though). However, when there are more than two border nodes, we need to pick up a good pair of border nodes. Please see my separate email to Meral which shows such an example. >2. when computation is not simultaneous per domain (independently of >whether sequentially distributed or centralized) and does not result in >strict hops only (implicitly or explcitly), the only thing that remains >possible is to condition the first LSP setup with additional constraints >during its establishment I am not sure whether I understand correctly, but if border nodes are already selected, the only thing that remains is to select the route within each domain. Thanks, Tomonori >this would for me streamline this analysis in a protocol independent way >(observe that point 2 is totally independent of whether PCEs are used or >not) > > >now if a protocol analysis needs to be done it needs to account for call >segments in which case and compared to BRPC the discussion would be >about sequential computation along the downstream or the upstream (or >combination) > > >thanks, >-d. > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org >> [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tomonori TAKEDA >> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 4:04 AM >> To: ccamp@ops.ietf.org >> Subject: Fwd: I-D >> ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-recovery-analysis-01.txt >> >> Hi, >> >> A new version of inter-domain recovery analysis I-D have been >> published. >> >> Here are major changes: >> - Added text on security considerations section >> - Cleaned up text marked "for further study" (various places) >> - Added a reference to [PCEP-XRO] >> - Enhanced text on computing diverse paths sequentially with >> confidentiality >> (Section 5.4.1) >> - Moved "terminology" section into "introduction" section >> - Removed manageability considerations section >> - Polished text >> >> Authors believe the document is now completed and ready for >> WG last call. >> >> Thanks, >> Tomonori >> >> >To: i-d-announce@ietf.org >> >From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org >> >Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 14:15:01 -0400 >> >X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) >> >X-Scan-Signature: 10d3e4e3c32e363f129e380e644649be >> >Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org >> >Subject: I-D >> ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-recovery-analysis-01.txt >> >X-BeenThere: i-d-announce@ietf.org >> >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >> >Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org >> >List-Id: i-d-announce.ietf.org >> >List-Unsubscribe: >> >> ><https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce>,<mailto >> :i-d-announce-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> >List-Archive: <http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/i-d-announce> >> >List-Post: <mailto:i-d-announce@ietf.org> >> >List-Help: <mailto:i-d-announce-request@ietf.org?subject=help> >> >List-Subscribe: >> >> ><https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce>,<mailto >> :i-d-announce-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> >> >X-Junkmail: UCE(35) >> >X-Junkmail-Status: score=35/10, host=sfs2.omr.ecl.ntt.co.jp >> >X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: >> >> >score=suspect(0),refid=str=0001.0A090207.468E8745.0129,ss=2,f >> gs=0,ip=156.154.16.145,so=2007-03-13 >> >> >10:31:19,dmn=5.3.14/2007-05-31 >> > >> >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >> >directories. >> >This draft is a work item of the Common Control and >> Measurement Plane >> >Working Group of the IETF. >> > >> > Title : Analysis of Inter-domain Label >> Switched Path (LSP) Recovery >> > Author(s) : T. Takeda, et al. >> > Filename : >> draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-recovery-analysis-01.txt >> > Pages : 23 >> > Date : 2007-7-6 >> > >> >This document analyzes various schemes to realize >> Multiprotocol Label >> > Switching (MPLS) and Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Label Switched Path >> > (LSP) recovery in multi-domain networks based on the existing >> > framework for multi-domain LSPs. >> > >> > The main focus for this document is on establishing end-to-end >> > diverse Traffic Engineering (TE) LSPs in multi-domain >> networks. 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- Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-rec… Tomonori TAKEDA
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain… Tomonori TAKEDA
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain… Meral Shirazipour
- RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-reco… PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain… Tomonori TAKEDA
- RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-reco… Tomonori TAKEDA
- RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-reco… PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri
- RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-reco… Tomonori TAKEDA
- RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-reco… PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri
- RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-reco… Tomonori TAKEDA
- RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-reco… PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri
- RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-reco… Tomonori TAKEDA