RE: Further communication received from the OIF
"Jim Jones" <jim.d.jones@alcatel.com> Fri, 16 June 2006 22:17 UTC
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From: Jim Jones <jim.d.jones@alcatel.com>
To: 'Adrian Farrel' <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org
Subject: RE: Further communication received from the OIF
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:12:31 -0500
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Hi Adrian, Thanks for making these documents available to the experts in the CCAMP working group. In the March 2006 CCAMP meeting, Lyndon Ong presented an overview of current events in OIF, which prompted discussion on both the signaling interworking and routing projects. Our liaison is based on the belief that more communication was needed in these areas. They were sent in the spirit that you said it is not possible for us to overcommunicate (though I apologize for the length of the response). First, here is some background on the documents themselves: The purpose of the current routing project is to capture experimental codepoints and TLV formats that were used in multi-vendor interoperability demonstration events in 2003, 2004 and 2005. These are documented in Appendix 1 of oif2005.313. This document also contains placeholders (sections 4.3, 5.3, 6.3, 7.2 and 8.2) where we hope to simply reference ASON routing extensions defined by CCAMP in conjunction with ITU-T SG15. As indicated in our liaison letter, it appears that the OIF routing document and the current CCAMP WG document draft-dimitri-ccamp-gmpls-ason-routing-sol-01 are similar and pointed out differences that could be addressed to achieve alignment. The signaling interworking documents include (1) the project plan outlining the objectives, scope and schedule of work (oif2004.442) and (2) the current draft interworking document (oif2006.028). As the documents explain, the purpose is to provide design guidelines allowing implementers to interwork between IETF GMPLS [RFC3473, RFC 4208] and ITU-T/OIF ASON signaling protocols [G.7713.2, OIF E-NNI1.0 Signaling, OIF UNI 1.0R2]. Second, please see my responses to your questions, indicated by <JDJ>. "Please clarify the purpose of the communication with us and the status of the two documents." <JDJ> These documents are sent to help CCAMP understand what work is in progress in OIF and to solicit technical comments on the work. "In particular, at what stage in the OIF process are these documents, and by when are you hoping to receive comments from CCAMP?" <JDJ> The routing document (an updated oif2005.313) is planned to go to straw ballot in the OIF within the next month, and principal ballot by 3Q06. Please keep in mind the scope of the document is to formally capture experimental codepoints and TLV formats that were tested in OIF interop events. It is not to document ASON routing extensions, which we hope to reference from future IETF CCAMP RFCs. Therefore, we are not asking CCAMP to review the extensions to ensure they accurately document what was used in OIF interop tests; we are seeking that input from over 20 member companies who participated in the tests. We are recommending that CCAMP consider the experimental codepoints and TLV formats as input toward defining ASON routing extensions. Since OIF has tested and refined these codepoints over the last 3 years, we feel that CCAMP could benefit from this experience. Given the scope of the project, our only request is that the content of the document be considered in the process of defining ASON routing extensions. <JDJ> The signaling interworking document (an update to oif2006.028) is planned to go to straw ballot in 3-4Q06 and principal ballot 4Q06 or 1Q07. We hope to receive input from CCAMP on our interpretations of the GMPLS signaling messages and objects and any further suggestions on interworking techniques or limitations. As explained in section 5 of this document, further details are yet to be defined on interworking procedures. Therefore it is more realistic to look for detailed technical input from CCAMP in 3Q or 4Q06. "Also, how are you proposing that the OIF will handle any comments received from CCAMP?" <JDJ> Any liaison inputs received from CCAMP are uploaded as OIF contributions and allocated agenda time during quarterly OIF Technical Committee meetings. Depending on the topic, a subject matter expert from OIF is asked to present the contribution in the meeting and initiate any follow-up documentation. For the signaling interworking and routing documents, this would fall to the editors and contributors, as well as our CCAMP liaison, Lyndon Ong. "Can you also confirm the stability of the documents that you have sent. If you are asking for our review, will these documents remain stable during the review period or are they being continually updated? If changes are being made on a relatively frequent basis, from where can people download the most up-to-date copies." <JDJ> As mentioned above, both documents are undergoing updates. I do not expect the routing document to change significantly before going to straw ballot, especially the extensions definition in Appendix 1. We can also liaise any further updates to it resulting from our 3Q06 meeting in early August, before it goes toward principal ballot. The signaling interworking document will expand, with more detail being needed in the areas outlined in section 5. <JDJ> Normally, OIF does not publicly distribute work in progress, and only sends liaisons to selected groups on specific topics. With our meetings being held quarterly, the documents liaised are normally up to date. At our August meeting, we can discuss possible methods to provide document updates between meetings as needed. And as you have pointed out, the CCAMP mailing list is an effective means for public communication for specific technical points. Best Regards, Jim Jones OIF Technical Committee Chair -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 9:34 AM To: Jim Jones Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: Further communication received from the OIF Hi Jim, Further to my email of 12th June, can you also confirm the stability of the documents that you have sent. If you are asking for our review, will these documents remain stable during the review period or are they being continually updated? If changes are being made on a relatively frequent basis, from where can people download the most up-to-date copies to ensure that they do not waste their time commenting on text that has changed. Thanks, Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk> To: "Jim Jones" <Jim.D.Jones@alcatel.com> Cc: <ccamp@ops.ietf.org> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 2:30 PM Subject: Re: Further communication received from the OIF > Hi Jim, > > Thanks for your recent communication containing the current draft of the > OIF Interworking Guidelines and also of the OIF E-NNI Routing > Specification. I am sure that the CCAMP participants will read these with > interest. > > Can you please clarify the purpose of the communication with us, and the > status of the two documents. In particular, at what stage in the OIF > process are these documents, and by when are you hoping to receive > comments from CCAMP? Also, how are you proposing that the OIF will handle > any comments received from CCAMP. > > Many thanks, > Adrian > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk> > To: <ccamp@ops.ietf.org> > Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 6:55 PM > Subject: Further communication received from the OIF > > >> Hi, >> >> We have received a communication from the OIF. >> >> You can see the original files on http://www.olddog.co.uk/ccamp.htm >> >> The text of the communication is included below. >> >> Adrian >> >> === >> >> To: Adrian Farrel and Deborah Brungard, IETF CCAMP WG Co-Chairs >> From: Jim Jones, OIF TC Chair >> Copy: Ross Callon and Bill Fenner, IETF Routing Area Directors >> Subject: OIF Draft Documents Provided for CCAMP Information and Comment >> >> Dear Adrian and Deborah, >> >> It was reported to us that members of the CCAMP WG expressed interest in >> reviewing and understanding some of the current activities in the OIF >> regarding interworking and optical routing protocols. Accordingly, we are >> attaching current copies of draft documents in progress in these two >> areas, for your information and comment. Please note that the >> interworking guidelines draft is based on existing standards >> specifications from ITU-T and IETF, and the routing protocol draft >> specifies the requirements on and use of OSPF-TE at the E-NNI, using >> G.7715/7715.1 as a basis. It documents work that has been prototyped, >> tested and updated based on OIF demonstrations in 2003-5. It leaves room >> for protocol extensions to be added as corresponding work in IETF and >> ITU-T is completed. >> >> Some members have reported on >> draft-dimitri-ccamp-gmpls-ason-routing-sol-01.txt, which initiates work >> in CCAMP towards defining the protocol extensions needed to meet E-NNI >> requirements. It was observed that with minor changes some of the >> extensions defined in the draft could be aligned with those used in >> working implementations that have been tested in conjunction with OIF >> interoperability events. Related extensions include the Node IPv4 local >> prefix sub-TLV and the Local and Remote TE_Router_ID sub-TLV. We believe >> that a key area needing review is whether the proposed extensions meet >> the full independence of functional component to physical location >> provided in G.8080/G.7715/G.7715.1 . >> >> I'd also like to note that I have informed OIF members about the >> discussion of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-addressing-03.txt and the survey of >> which ERO options are being supported, and asked that they provide any >> feedback directly to Adrian or the CCAMP list. >> >> The OIF continues to be interested in establishing a formal liaison >> relationship with CCAMP and other IETF WGs as the best way to keep both >> bodies informed of each others' progress and working in concert, and >> would like input from the IETF chairs on how to pursue this next step. >> >> Best regards, >> Jim Jones >> OIF Technical Committee Chair >> >> Attachments: >> 1) Interworking Guidelines project plan (oif2004.442.03) >> 2) Interworking Guidelines draft text (oif2006.028.03) >> 3) E-NNI Routing 1.0 draft text (oif2005.313.05) >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >
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