Re: [CCAMP] Proposal for YANG model prefix naming

["Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - IT/Vimercate)" <[e-mail]>]

Dear Daniele,
This time I’m not aligned with my friend, Young :
I would rather take shorter  the prefix and more aligned with RFC 8345 and 8795 (nt and tet prefixes) so “wsont” it is my preference.

Thanks
Sergio

From: CCAMP <[e-mail]> On Behalf Of Young Lee
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To: Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli=[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Proposal for YANG model prefix naming

Hi Daniele,

I perfer wson-topo. This is more descriptive than wson-t although it is a bit long.

Thanks.
Young

2021년 2월 16일 (화) 오전 12:16, Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli=[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>님이 작성:
Thanks for your feedback Tom.

Working group, other opinions?

Thanks,
Daniele

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From: tom petch <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
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Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Proposal for YANG model prefix naming

From: Italo Busi <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Sent: 12 February 2021 09:02

Thanks Daniele

FYI: we are discussing these options also with TEAS experts:

https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=d3d01972-8c4b2077-d3d059e9-86959e472243-ddf7de26918206cd&q=1&e=586b5fcf-a971-4d25-81f3-4c64316f0395&u=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Ftsaad-dev%2Fte%2Fissues%2F125

Let's see if we can get an agreement at least for these two drafts which are in RFC queue:

> draft-ietf-ccamp-layer0-types
> ietf-layer0-types (l0-types) --->(l0-types)

I think we can agree with this prefix since all the proposals are aligned.

> draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang
> ietf-wson-topology  (wson) --->(wson-topo)

Here, I think we have two candidates: wson-topo and wsont

I have a slight preference for wsont since it is aligned with tet and nt prefix conventions used in RFC8795 and RFC8345 but I can accept wson-topo (it could be seen as aligned with wson-tunnel or wson-tnl prefix conventions).

What do you think?

<tp>
Since TEAS already has its tanks on the lawn, I would go for wsont.

Adrian expressed a preference for ...topo but I think that wrong as it gets too long IMHO as with ethtetopo or else eth-te-topo

Tom Petch
Italo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>]
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> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Proposal for YANG model prefix naming
>
> Tom, Adrian, all,
>
> The L0 types and the WSON topology drafts are now on hold. We can
> include them in the updated prefix naming.
> The RFC editor will delay processing these documents until the updated
> versions are available. The AD (John or Deborah) will need to approve
> the changes.
>
> This will also affect the IANA registries, they have been informed as well.
>
> BR
> Daniele
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CCAMP <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> On Behalf Of tom petch
> Sent: den 3 februari 2021 17:44
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> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Proposal for YANG model prefix naming
>
> From: Adrian Farrel <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
> Sent: 03 February 2021 12:12
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> >> Proposal for YANG model prefix naming.
> >>
> >> Radek and then Tom raised the issue of consistency in prefix naming
> >> based
> on
> >> the fact that the TE topology model uses 'tet' and the TE topology
> >> state model uses 'tet-s'
> >
> > I think that the starting point is a list of I-D/RFC and I see some
> glitches in your list.
> >
> > draft-ietf-client-signal-yang probably should be
> draft-ietf-ccamp-client-signal-yang
>
> Yes, typo.
>
> > I see two flexigrid I-D but you only list one
>
> I'm at https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/ccamp/documents/ looking at
> extant WG documents.
> Looks like draft-ietf-ccamp-flexigrid-media-channel-yang expired
> almost 6 months ago.
>
> > wson-yang and l1types have been approved by the IESG so I regard
> > those as
> fixed
> > points that it is now too late to change and which we should build
> > around
>
> Well, colour me confused.
> I thought this whole thing came up in debate of the WSON YANG model.
> If that debate is now closed, let's all move on and not worry about
> any of this any more.
>
> > I have seen more than one wson model
>
> There's an information model in draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-iv-info, but no
> data model.
> draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-tunnel-model expired almost 6 months ago
>
> > microwave seems to be missing
>
> draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-topo-yang expired almost 18 months ago
>
> <tp>
>
> Adrian,
>
> The progress of I-D in the routing area can be erratic.  The fact that
> the IETF has expired the I-D does not mean that it will not come back
> to life - a whole raft of I-D that were produced in a rush just before
> the IETF meeting have just expired 6 months later and some are now
> being resuscitated, others will be in future, others will not.  Some re-appear years later when their time has come.
>
> To me, an expired draft says that someone was interested enough to put
> in a lot of work and even if that work is not current, then it would
> be a short- sighted naming convention, although well in keeping with
> the traditions of the IETF, not to cater for such work in future.
>
> For myself, I like names that start with the most important property
> and for me, that is WSON. OTN, RSVP and so on, and that is the basis
> on which I reviewed them, and not the fact that they are te - the
> rival proposal is for te to be the centre of the universe around which
> everything revolves, regardless of which WG  - TEAS, CCAMP, ... -it may be in.  I am not a fan of this approach.
>
> Tom Petch
>
> CCAMP is currently working on plenty of YANG models, so it might be
> worth stepping back and getting the prefixes consistent across all of our work.
> I'm not sure this is the most important thing on our list, and perhaps
> it would be better to discuss the colour of the bike shed, but to make
> sure that we do this just once, here is my attempt.
>
> My conclusion is that, although it would be nice to be consistent with
> using just a suffix of 't' to indicate 'topology', this becomes messy
> with some of the longer names, and it is clearer to always use 'topo'
> (leaving the TE topology model as the odd one out).
>
> This proposal only extends to CCAMP YANG models, and I don't think
> this list can debate the wider scoping of prefixes, but I think it
> would extend well enough.
>
> The list shows...
> Draftname
> Modelname (currentprefix)--->(proposedprefix)
>
> draft-ietf-ccamp-client-signal-yang
> ietf-eth-tran-service (ethtsvc)--->(etht-svc) ietf-eth-tran-types
> (etht-types) ---
> >(etht-types) ietf-trans-client-service (clntsvc) --->(tclnt-svc)
> >ietf-trans-client-
> svc-types (clntsvc-types) --->(tclnt-svc-types)
>
> draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang
> ietf-ext-xponder-wdm-if
> (ietf-ext-xponder-wdm-if)--->(ext-xponder-wdm-if)
>
> draft-ietf-ccamp-flexigrid-yang
> ietf-flexi-grid-topology (flexi-grid-topology) --->(flexi-grid-topo)
>
> draft-ietf-ccamp-l1csm-yang
> ietf-l1csm (l1csm) --->(l1csm)
>
> draft-ietf-ccamp-layer0-types
> ietf-layer0-types (l0-types) --->(l0-types)
>
> draft-ietf-ccamp-layer1-types
> ietf-layer1-types (l1-types) --->(l1types)
>
> draft-ietf-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang
> ietf-optical-impairment-topology (optical-imp-topo)
> --->(optical-imp-topo)
>
> draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-topo-yang
> ietf-otn-topology (otntopo) --->(otn-topo)
>
> draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-tunnel-model
> ietf-otn-tunnel (otn-tunnel) --->(otn-tunnel)
>
> draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang
> ietf-wson-topology  (wson) --->(wson-topo)
>
>
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