Re: [CCAMP] The description of Path Key retaining time in RFC5553

"Zafar Ali (zali)" <zali@cisco.com> Fri, 15 November 2013 03:12 UTC

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From: "Zafar Ali (zali)" <zali@cisco.com>
To: Fatai Zhang <zhangfatai@huawei.com>, "Zhangxian (Xian)" <zhang.xian@huawei.com>
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Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 03:12:33 +0000
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-----Original Message-----
From: Fatai Zhang <zhangfatai@huawei.com>
Date: Monday, November 11, 2013 9:09 PM
To: zali <zali@cisco.com>, "Zhangxian (Xian)" <zhang.xian@huawei.com>
Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" <ccamp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: The description of Path Key retaining time in RFC5553

>Please don't argue scaliblity issue because you can see even a GMPLS node
>can store lots of informaiton.
>

Fatai- 

I did not get what you are saying. What I was saying is:

* Tunnel-id is 16 bit. I.e., client name space is 16 bit. There can be
more than one LSP per tunnel.
* Path key is 16 bits. I.e., server name space is 16 bits. Each LSP needs
a Path Key. 
* There is 1:N relationship between PCC and PCE (server). PCE sever may
even be centralized.
* You are requiring (Path key, path info) "state" to be stored at the PCE
server for the life time of the connections.
* Path keys have hold-off timer of 30 minutes before they can be reused.

Hence, in your solution, PCE server would run out of Path Keys much before
clients runs out of tunnel name space. In your solution, if you have a
centralized PCE, you can only support 64K connection IN THE NETWORK! I am
not sure why you want to ignore these scaling restrictions.

Thanks

Regards...Zafar 

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