Re: [CCAMP] Comment on compatibility in draft-takacs-ccamp-revertive-ps

[Fatai Zhang <[e-mail]>]

Hi Zafar,

The operator can just click a button to configure it, otherwise how the ingress knows what to tell the egress.

I don’t think it is smart to send signaling to do this.

BTW,  there were much discussion on what should be configured and what should be signalled in SG15 ITU-T.

Best Regards

Fatai

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From: Fatai Zhang <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Date: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 9:02 PM
To: zali <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>, Dieter Beller <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
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Subject: RE: [CCAMP] Comment on compatibility in draft-takacs-ccamp-revertive-ps

Hi Zafar,

I will NEVER say NERVER.

I think you need justify why it needs to signal the attributes, which only matter to the end-points.


Fatai-

Ingress needs to let egress node know on how it is using protection (e.g., if protection is revertive or non-revertive, etc.). See also my email in response to Deiter question.

Thanks

Regards … Zafar



Best Regards

Fatai

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From: Fatai Zhang <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Date: Monday, November 11, 2013 9:04 PM
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Subject: RE: [CCAMP] Comment on compatibility in draft-takacs-ccamp-revertive-ps

Hi,

Moreover, this information is only make sense for the end points and no need to be signaled.



Fatai-

Are you saying that we NEVER signal any attribute that only matter to the end-point? This is a news to me.

Thanks

Regards … Zafar



Best Regards

Fatai

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Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Comment on compatibility in draft-takacs-ccamp-revertive-ps

Hi Zafar,

this draft is defining signaling extensions for the hold-off time as well as the wait-to-restore time for protected LSPs
where applicable.

There are default values set for these timers in the data plane and signaling them in the control plane makes only
sense if the timer values shall differ from the default values. Do you see a need for that? IMO, operators typically
use the defaults and do not set these values on a per connection basis.


Thanks,
Dieter



On 08.11.2013 22:11, Zafar Ali (zali) wrote:

Hi Lou-



You are right, the ctype is TBD, like I mentioned during the meeting that

we are using different ctype.



We would like to take this opportunity to solicit comments from the WG on

this draft.



Thanks



Regards Š Zafar



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Subject: Comment on compatibility in draft-takacs-ccamp-revertive-ps



Zafar,

   My comment in today's session was that you are redefining the format of

an existing object (by adding TLVs) this breaks compatibility.  You

stated that this wasn't the case.



FWIW:



Your document says:



   0                   1                   2                   3

   0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1

  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

  |            Length             | Class-Num(37) |   C-Type(2)   |

  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

  |S|P|N|O| Reserved  | LSP Flags |      Reserved     | Link Flags|

  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

  |I|R|   Reserved    | Seg.Flags |           Reserved            |

  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

  |                                                               |

  ~                           sub-TLVs                            ~

  |                                                               |

  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+





RFC4872 says

     0                   1                   2                   3

     0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1

    +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

    |            Length             | Class-Num(37) | C-Type (2)    |

    +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

    |S|P|N|O| Reserved  | LSP Flags |     Reserved      | Link Flags|

    +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

    |                           Reserved                            |

    +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+



Perhaps you meant C-Type(TBD).  You should address compatibility

explicitly in any case.



Lou



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