RE: draft-ietf-ccamp-tracereq-01.txt
"Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" <bwijnen@lucent.com> Tue, 13 May 2003 10:55 UTC
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From: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" <bwijnen@lucent.com>
To: Ron Bonica <Ronald.P.Bonica@mci.com>, ccamp@ops.ietf.org
Subject: RE: draft-ietf-ccamp-tracereq-01.txt
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:55:51 +0200
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Looks good to me. Pls submit to internet-drafts. And I will pick it up for IESG agenda again. Did the WG members check it too? Thanks, Bert > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Bonica [mailto:Ronald.P.Bonica@mci.com] > Sent: dinsdag 13 mei 2003 4:20 > To: Wijnen, Bert (Bert); ccamp@ops.ietf.org > Subject: RE: draft-ietf-ccamp-tracereq-01.txt > > > Bert, > > Here is the ping that you requested. > > Ron > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org]On > > Behalf Of Wijnen, Bert (Bert) > > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 11:54 PM > > To: Ron Bonica; ccamp@ops.ietf.org; bwijnen@lucent.com > > Subject: RE: draft-ietf-ccamp-tracereq-01.txt > > > > > > Thanks... busy with other things now. Will check early next week. > > Pls ping me if I do not answer by say Wed next week. > > > > Thanks, > > Bert > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ron Bonica [mailto:Ronald.P.Bonica@mci.com] > > > Sent: maandag 28 april 2003 18:58 > > > To: ccamp@ops.ietf.org; bwijnen@lucent.com > > > Subject: RE: draft-ietf-ccamp-tracereq-01.txt > > > > > > > > > Bert, > > > > > > I have spun a new version of draft-ietf-ccamp-tracereq. It is > > > available at > > > http://www.bonica.org/docs/draft-ietf-ccamp-tracereq-02.txt. > > > Please take a > > > look. > > > > > > If you think that this version addresses the IESG concerns, I > > > will post send > > > it to the draft editor. > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org > [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org]On > > > > Behalf Of Ron Bonica > > > > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 5:51 PM > > > > To: ccamp@ops.ietf.org; bwijnen@lucent.com > > > > Subject: RE: draft-ietf-ccamp-tracereq-01.txt > > > > > > > > > > > > Bert, > > > > > > > > Sorry to have taken so long to respond. I have been away on > > > vacation. > > > > > > > > Comments inline..... > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org > [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org]On > > > > > Behalf Of Wijnen, Bert (Bert) > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 9:30 AM > > > > > To: Ccamp-wg (E-mail) > > > > > Subject: FW: draft-ietf-ccamp-tracereq-01.txt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please consider these comments and let me know if they > > > > > wrrant some additional text in the ID. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Bert > > > > > > > > > > >***** o Tracing Requirements for Generic Tunnels (None) > > > > > > <draft-ietf-ccamp-tracereq-01.txt> > > > > > > Token: Wijnen, Bert > > > > > > Note: New revision Addresses comments. > > > > > > Now on IESG agenda for April 17th > > > > > > Responsible: Bert > > > > > > > > > > 1. this document looks like it might be the union of all the > > > > > "i want it to do <foo>" requests. an important part of > > > > > requirements documents is knowing what to not require. > > > > > do they have any? > > > > > > > > This document specifies requirements for a new protocol. It > > > specifies > > > > requirements, primarily, by detailing the required > capabilities of > > > > applications that will use this protocol. The application > > > may implement > > > > some subset of those capabilities. It may also implement a > > > superset of > > > > the required capabilities. However, protocol designers are > > > not required > > > > to consider the additional capabilities when designing > the protocol. > > > > > > > > I can add some text to this effect. > > > > > > > > > 2. i am concerned about the security stuff that > they've buried in > > > > > their requirements. nothing definite. it seems > unwieldy. but > > > > > then, so many security things do... > > > > > > > > Can you be more specific? Is there any particular > requirement that > > > > you feel cannot be implemented? > > > > > > > > > 3. section 4.1 and 4.2 seem to be worded with a particular > > > > > implementation in mind. requirements documents ought not > > > > > specify solutions (eg, 4.2 talks about udp, why can't i use > > > > > icmp?) > > > > > > > > Section 4 provides a few protocol requirements, stated > as such. In > > > > particular, Section 4.1 states that the new protocol > will consist of > > > > probes and responses, and that each probe/response pair > will reveal > > > > information regarding a network hop. (In this respect, the > > > new protocol > > > > will resemble TRACEROUTE). > > > > > > > > Had I remembered to include an application requirement to > > > support partial > > > > traces through broken paths, this requirement would have > > > made much more > > > > sense! > > > > I will fix this. > > > > > > > > Section 4.2 requires that the protocol be implemented over > > > UDP. I included > > > > this > > > > section primarily to rule out implmentations that were _not_ > > > > acceptable. For > > > > example, > > > > ICMP should not be used, because carrying MPLS information > > > over ICMP would > > > > constitute > > > > a layer violation. TCP should not be used, because this would > > > > conflict with > > > > the protocol's > > > > requirement for statelessness. Tunnel specific mechanisms > > > should not be > > > > used, because > > > > this would conflict with the requirement for generality. > > > > > > > > This leaves UDP and IP as the two most resonable candidates. > > > > > > > > I can add some words indicating how we arrived at this decision. > > > > > > > > > 4. justification of requirements might be nice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can add a sentence or two after each requirement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
- RE: draft-ietf-ccamp-tracereq-01.txt Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
- RE: draft-ietf-ccamp-tracereq-01.txt Ron Bonica
- RE: draft-ietf-ccamp-tracereq-01.txt Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
- RE: draft-ietf-ccamp-tracereq-01.txt Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
- RE: draft-ietf-ccamp-tracereq-01.txt Ron Bonica
- RE: draft-ietf-ccamp-tracereq-01.txt Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
- FW: draft-ietf-ccamp-tracereq-01.txt Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
- RE: draft-ietf-ccamp-tracereq-01.txt Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
- RE: draft-ietf-ccamp-tracereq-01.txt Ron Bonica