Re: [CCAMP] G.698.2 drafts way forward

[Daniele Ceccarelli <[e-mail]>]

Hi Dieter, Gabriele, all,

I'm very happy to hear about that. Thanks for finding the time discuss and finding an agreement.

We're looking forward to seeing an updated version of the draft soon.

Thanks
Daniele

From: Dieter Beller [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: venerdì 27 marzo 2015 10:20
To: [e-mail]; Daniele Ceccarelli; [e-mail]
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: AW: [CCAMP] G.698.2 drafts way forward

Hi Rüdiger, all,

I discussed the issue with Gabriele this morning and we reached an agreement how to move forward.

One of the use cases we discussed this morning is monitoring the power level on the ROADM sided that requires knowledge of the
current Tx power value at the Ss reference point. Together with the knowledge of the attenuation of the fiber link between Ss and
a power monitoring point on the ROADM side, it is possible to calculate the expected power level at this measurement point which
can then be used to monitor the received power level. If it drops below a certain threshold, an alarm can be raised. The same thing
is also possible in reverse direction.

Gabriele is going to work on a description of these use cases. We also draw a figure that could be added to the draft illustrating the
use cases.

If required, we may also have to suggest IM extensions supporting these use cases - this still remains to be seen.


Thanks,
Dieter

On 27.03.2015 00:36, [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]> wrote:
Dieter,

We assume you are referring to http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-dharinigert-ccamp-g-698-2-lmp-09.txt and invite you to review the introduction part. More 'exotic' use cases like control loops would require a read and a write operation for power levels. However in particular the write operation was considered unsuitable by the optical experts commenting in the past. We would certainly appreciate if you could point us to ITU-T Recommendations supporting such a use case and in particular to an information model supporting write operations of power levels.

BR

Rüdiger

Von: Dieter Beller [mailto:[e-mail]]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. März 2015 22:48
An: Kunze, Rüdiger; [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>; [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
Betreff: Re: [CCAMP] G.698.2 drafts way forward

Hi all,

here are my 2 cents:

The exchange of power values between adjacent NEs does IMHO only make sense, if there is a use case that justifies this and an
application/procedure that needs these values as input parameters.

Application codes as defined in G.698.2 do currently define Tx and Rx power value ranges at reference points Ss and Rs, respectively.

A power level control loop that adjusts power levels such that the input/output power range at the reference point stays within
the given range could be an example of a use case/application that may require the exchange of the current input/output values.

The draft does not provide a reasonable use case nor does it describe an application/procedure that makes use of these values. So,
there is a gap which IMHO needs to be filled before we can decide whether to keep the exchange of power level values or whether
they should be removed.


Thanks,
Dieter
On 26.03.2015 21:37, [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]> wrote:
Hi Daniele,

we agree to remove the transmit power settings from LMP and from the SNMP MIB documents. Regarding the power reading, we believe that this is a needed parameter to verify  the maximum channel power difference as specified in  G. 692 (Table 7): "This recommendation specifies the possibility of loss between reference points S and Rm" as per figure 1/G.692.
We will update and re-submit the document right after this IETF meeting. With this latest update we believe to address all the concerns of the working group and if there are no further objections we can proceed with acceptance as WG documents.

BR

The authors of the drafts

Gabriele, Gert and Ruediger


Von: CCAMP [mailto:[e-mail]] Im Auftrag von Daniele Ceccarelli
Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. März 2015 20:44
An: CCAMP ([e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>)
Betreff: [CCAMP] G.698.2 drafts way forward

Dear authors of G.698.2 draft,

This is a follow up of my comment to your presentations in CCAMP. I checked the minutes of the IETF91 meeting (http://tools.ietf.org/wg/ccamp/minutes?item=minutes-91-ccamp.html) and, assuming the power was removed from the list of managed parameters, the WG showed good interest in working on the topic.

I see the power was not removed from the drafts and I was wondering what are you plans. Are you willing to keep it in it or available to get rid of it?

BR
Daniele





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