Re: [Cellar] Robert Wilton's No Objection on draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-17: (with COMMENT)

Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> Wed, 07 October 2020 18:54 UTC

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 13:53:41 -0500
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Cc: Robert Wilton <rwilton@cisco.com>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1@ietf.org, cellar-chairs@ietf.org, Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission <cellar@ietf.org>, "Peter B." <pb@das-werkstatt.com>
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Subject: Re: [Cellar] Robert Wilton's No Objection on draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-17: (with COMMENT)
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Hi, Michael,

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 1:39 PM Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
wrote:

>
> Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>     > Questions of what's obsoleted, or declared Historic, or otherwise
> done
>     > to FFV1 version 0, 1 and 3, would be decided by the working group,
> AD,
>     > and IESG when FFV1 version 4 is in IESG Evaluation, I think?
>
> I understood that FFV1 version 0/1/3 was Informational.
> I guess it could be marked Historic by the IESG at some point.
> I didn't think that time would be when FFV1 v4 was published, but sure.
>

Yeah, I should have said "at the earliest, when FFV1 version 4 was
approved", but my intention was to say "not yet".

I could have also reasonably said "or takes no action to twiddle the status
of FFV1 version 0/1/3" - that's also a path that would be open.

And I wasn't trying to guess what would happen. Different IESGs have
handled these situations on a case by case basis.


> I thought that this was even in our charter somewhere, so I'm confused by
> this thread.
>

Yup. I'm looking at this, from the charter.

 - Informational specification for FFV1 video codec versions 0, 1 and 3 to
IESG for publication

Best,

Spencer


> This follows the pattern of publishing an RFC that is not within IETF
> revision control that documents "current practice", and then publishing an
> RFC on standards track, that is within IETF revision control.
>
> Here "revision control" means we can change the bits-in-the-wire
> (or in the file) in incompatible ways.
>
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> Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>   . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting )
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