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Re: [Cellar] purpose of FLAC RFC --- vs xiph.org

Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> Sun, 29 October 2023 21:38 UTC

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From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2023 16:37:31 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Cellar] purpose of FLAC RFC --- vs xiph.org
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Hi, Timothy,

On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 5:38 PM Timothy B. Terriberry <tterribe@xiph.org>
wrote:

> Martijn van Beurden wrote:
> > All in all, I don't think Xiph really claims any 'ownership'. Also,
>
> For whatever it is worth, this is not the first Xiph format to be
> brought to the IETF. See, e.g., CELT, which formed part of the basis of
> Opus (RFC 6716), which is even now seeing further development... at the
> IETF [1].
>
> I think the benefits of the reputation and the good name of the IETF are
> abundantly clear to the community. To my knowledge, Xiph never really
> wanted to be its own SDO.
>

Thank you for the background here. As of our last working group meeting, I
think we're going to Do The Right Thing.

Best,

Spencer


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