Re: [Cfrg] Interest in an "Ed25519-HD" standard?
Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com> Wed, 22 March 2017 00:35 UTC
Return-Path: <hallam@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: cfrg@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: cfrg@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3389130141 for <cfrg@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:35:01 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.4
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.197, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DcSsmQmJ_afL for <cfrg@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:35:00 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-oi0-x230.google.com (mail-oi0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C830012940A for <cfrg@irtf.org>; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:34:59 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-oi0-x230.google.com with SMTP id l203so10945537oia.0 for <cfrg@irtf.org>; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:34:59 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=+YgVnKJ7S0YRHBO0AtDstHB0bbRXvTzsMtoUKTvI/n8=; b=Vb99S/Y/y3BOTvOPzt0+zLDm4JEHxbCFmzTBoKlYngVUur2HYF/kf+C5TfwLdEtYWp dgUIkgi6U1RQAfUfCK+rOfygaC8rFnBPovT7zLG6Zz8Pl/rvD8LgAEJOg5nOc12mANMe /HaR4NWN79c1D2ClKoekqpg2skgM0UI43TM7eumyvNCRoNbHgPy7yimxrQeZKmGv6rbM hebRCYj5W+ZdMlV8v+YQixgxVbIJghyIoPrgJq3oKj+MFHWyb5oHfQxi3DIoLtM+QFAG ovsft/QK5s4RL1bE2PNJIcU6eHnbiNIWCPuZQiHqVBYQ93qu3Z/Z7OfVzlbw1Lw9MGa0 4kuQ==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=+YgVnKJ7S0YRHBO0AtDstHB0bbRXvTzsMtoUKTvI/n8=; b=UJD6L6IBZ/curi8Pia24vPGNZQE3g49t1L9tSUKjtJZV+1ULoM92qmJypmk6qDrpyq A8txtVRhyK/MqwtVWuy2oamYTjRMyKGYK+1mZ/6Dr8n/VdmktXjEeadfUJMpBCAEgJiB FQZOOKetqguILGrOEJamhE9G/CjL7WB32TlzDJRvf97y9SBl/TE2EUpyWvWR70YVGUYc UhP53MPRtq0DK2t/SPC1WpYQB9E9jd/CKwSFzPRLXx2NM5BqW0R5GyD5dGu8Pp0ZyZPJ hZaOcl3WAf5JYqpIUsGTxZKJQ6pEL5X2YtjuFgibfL5LsJoeFsKv9lZPjy2b7NeRbkG7 r1wQ==
X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H1A4pgLaWtsGi2fHkSQdNLa72eGXRmV9pwdvJmPV8LA6QZxW9guQ2QaX0ve3KBiIOtpI5lBwDD5F0zLQA==
X-Received: by 10.202.71.195 with SMTP id u186mr11535400oia.9.1490142899205; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:34:59 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Sender: hallam@gmail.com
Received: by 10.157.14.123 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:34:58 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <CAHOTMVKHA-yJR1oCyPtUp4-aJVc3dTdyxQHNo4xqnJt0hU6jVQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHOTMVKHA-yJR1oCyPtUp4-aJVc3dTdyxQHNo4xqnJt0hU6jVQ@mail.gmail.com>
From: Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 20:34:58 -0400
X-Google-Sender-Auth: aOS2dRsgbsgV01NNRPcTWIoYtpg
Message-ID: <CAMm+Lwgm8XzTBarZ1eFePTZGORorBJAeF7brDkhWGQKQVT0LPQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Tony Arcieri <bascule@gmail.com>
Cc: "cfrg@irtf.org" <cfrg@irtf.org>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113e54362bfccb054b46ee80"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cfrg/Lf1LbZPLXaSlTmeNVfVpnVTW2HU>
Subject: Re: [Cfrg] Interest in an "Ed25519-HD" standard?
X-BeenThere: cfrg@irtf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22
Precedence: list
List-Id: Crypto Forum Research Group <cfrg.irtf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.irtf.org/mailman/options/cfrg>, <mailto:cfrg-request@irtf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/cfrg/>
List-Post: <mailto:cfrg@irtf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:cfrg-request@irtf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/cfrg>, <mailto:cfrg-request@irtf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 00:35:02 -0000
I have just implemented Proxy Re-Encryption under Ed-25519 and Ed448. I think EdCurve Crypto is a good plan. Or we could do it on the Montgomery Curves and give the algorithm for point addition. On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Tony Arcieri <bascule@gmail.com> wrote: > Hierarchical key derivation (also sometimes described as "semiprivate > keys" or "key blinding") is an increasingly popular technique for > generating unlinkable child keys from master public and private keys. > > The Tor Project has been exploring such an approach as the basis for their > next-generation hidden services design for several years now[1], during > which time it has received security proofs[2]. Their latest design[3] > allegedly includes feedback from Dan Bernstein. > > Application of hierarchical key derivation is perhaps most notable in the > cryptocurrency space, where Bitcoin's BIP32[4] provided a means for > unlinkable single-use signature keys for the secp256k1 elliptic curve. > There are several designs for applying the ideas from BIP32 to Ed25519, > including ones from Evernym[5] and Chain[6] (where I am an employee). > > The designs in [3], [5], and [6] are all highly similar and accomplish the > same goals. Personally I would love to see a single standard design for > producing Ed25519 signatures from hierarchically derived keys, notably one > which produces signatures that can be verified by any off-the-shelf RFC > 8032-compatible Ed25519 implementation. > > There's already been some discussion of this on the moderncrypto.org > curves list: > > https://moderncrypto.org/mail-archive/curves/2017/000858.html > > I'd be curious to know if anyone else would be interested in collaborating > on a draft for such a standard, which can be a synthesis of the existing > work in this space. > > [1]: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-dev/2012- > September/004026.html > [2]: https://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~hopper/basic-proof.pdf > [3]: https://gitweb.torproject.org/torspec.git/ > tree/proposals/224-rend-spec-ng.txt#n1979 > [4]: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0032.mediawiki > [5]: https://github.com/WebOfTrustInfo/rebooting-the- > web-of-trust-fall2016/blob/master/topics-and-advance- > readings/HDKeys-Ed25519.pdf > [6]: https://chain.com/docs/protocol/specifications/chainkd > > -- > Tony Arcieri > > _______________________________________________ > Cfrg mailing list > Cfrg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/cfrg > >
- [Cfrg] Interest in an "Ed25519-HD" standard? Tony Arcieri
- Re: [Cfrg] Interest in an "Ed25519-HD" standard? Aaron Zauner
- Re: [Cfrg] Interest in an "Ed25519-HD" standard? Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Cfrg] Interest in an "Ed25519-HD" standard? Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Cfrg] Interest in an "Ed25519-HD" standard? Dmitry Khovratovich
- Re: [Cfrg] Interest in an "Ed25519-HD" standard? Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Cfrg] Interest in an "Ed25519-HD" standard? Tony Arcieri
- Re: [Cfrg] Interest in an "Ed25519-HD" standard? Nadim Kobeissi
- Re: [Cfrg] Interest in an "Ed25519-HD" standard? Tony Arcieri
- Re: [Cfrg] Interest in an "Ed25519-HD" standard? Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Cfrg] Interest in an "Ed25519-HD" standard? Tony Arcieri
- Re: [Cfrg] Interest in an "Ed25519-HD" standard? Taylor R Campbell
- Re: [Cfrg] Interest in an "Ed25519-HD" standard? Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Cfrg] Interest in an "Ed25519-HD" standard? Tony Arcieri
- [Cfrg] A note on how to (pre-)compute a ladder Francisco Rodriguez- Henriquez
- Re: [Cfrg] A note on how to (pre-)compute a ladder Peter Dettman
- Re: [Cfrg] A note on how to (pre-)compute a ladder Peter Dettman
- Re: [Cfrg] A note on how to (pre-)compute a ladder Francisco Rodriguez- Henriquez
- Re: [Cfrg] A note on how to (pre-)compute a ladder Francisco Rodriguez- Henriquez
- [Cfrg] How to (pre-)compute a ladder [revised ver… Francisco Rodriguez- Henriquez
- Re: [Cfrg] How to (pre-)compute a ladder [revised… Mike Hamburg
- Re: [Cfrg] How to (pre-)compute a ladder [revised… Peter Dettman
- Re: [Cfrg] How to (pre-)compute a ladder [revised… Antonio Sanso
- Re: [Cfrg] How to (pre-)compute a ladder [full C … Francisco Rodriguez- Henriquez
- Re: [Cfrg] How to (pre-)compute a ladder [revised… Francisco Rodriguez- Henriquez
- Re: [Cfrg] How to (pre-)compute a ladder [revised… Francisco Rodriguez- Henriquez