Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Consensus and a way forward]
Alexey Melnikov <alexey.melnikov@isode.com> Fri, 19 December 2014 00:04 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Consensus and a way forward]
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Robert, On 14/12/2014 21:16, Robert Ransom wrote: > * Section 10 (‘Intellectual Property Rights’) of draft-black-rpgecc-00 > makes a general statement about the IPR status of the curves > specified in the document. Although that is not a statement about > ‘specific IPR’, which section 11 of RFC 3979 (BCP 79) explicitly > forbids, I believe that the IPR statement in draft-black-rpgecc-00 > raises some of the same concerns which section 11 of RFC 3979 states > as the rationale for forbidding IETF Documents and RFC Editor > Documents from including statements about ‘specific IPR’. The statement in the draft is not a declaration of IPR specific or general - it's a confirmation that the authors know of *no* IPR. I am pretty sure that authors included this in order to be helpful and save RG participants a datatracker search, and not for any nefarious reason. So I don't believe that your reaction to this section being present is warranted. > Thus, I > believe that section 10 of draft-black-rpgecc-00 is in violation of > BCP 79. The authors of draft-black-rpgecc-00 stated in the draft > that it was ‘submitted in full conformance with the provisions of > BCP 78 and BCP 79’. I think calling this a "violation" is uncalled for, since the statement by the authors is not a declaration of IPR. So at best, this is a nit that could easily be addressed by removing the section. The authors would not even need to make any IPR declaration in the datatracker, since they apparently know of no IPR and the datatracker doesn't even offer to record these cases. So by including the statement as they did, the authors are actually giving the RG more information that would otherwise be available, which is a good thing IMO. Alexey, As a co-chair.
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- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Benjamin Black
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- Re: [Cfrg] draft-black-rpgecc-00-.txt [was: Conse… Michael Hamburg
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