Re: [Cfrg] normative references

David McGrew <mcgrew@cisco.com> Wed, 15 January 2014 12:54 UTC

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On 01/15/2014 03:25 AM, Yaron Sheffer wrote:
> Hi David,
>
> Somewhere down the Safe Curves thread you mention that you expect a 
> CFRG draft to contain "stable normative references" to definitions of 
> crypto mechanisms. I share this wish in part, in particular I would 
> appreciate "stable" references (e.g., to academic papers). However 
> many/most crypto publications are not aimed at implementors. Often 
> they are not well-specified enough to implement. And we don't want to 
> wait a few years for NIST to create normative versions. So I would 
> actually expect the new CFRG document to become the "normative" 
> reference.

This is a good point, Yaron.

David

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> Thanks,
>     Yaron
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