Re: [Cfrg] RG Last Call - draft-irtf-cfrg-ocb-00

Ted Krovetz <ted@krovetz.net> Wed, 06 February 2013 16:52 UTC

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> practically unusable in any serious product (commercial or otherwise) because of its licensing terms.

I certainly hope that we can convince you that this is not true.

There are a huge number of serious open-source products that all fall under License 1's simple terms (linux, gnu, any project using any OSI-approved license, etc).

Note that License 1 does not have a non-military provision, meaning that open-source software need not worry about it.

And we are determined try to make License 2 workable, which would then make all software (open or closed, commercial or non-commercial) free for non-military use, and hardware implementations free for non-commercial non-military purposes.

That allows for a lot of serious products.