Re: [core] Endpoint Client Name / Endpoint Name in RD draft
Jim Schaad <ietf@augustcellars.com> Sun, 15 April 2018 19:31 UTC
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Subject: Re: [core] Endpoint Client Name / Endpoint Name in RD draft
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> -----Original Message----- > From: core <core-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Christian Amsüss > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 8:11 AM > To: consultancy@vanderstok.org; Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> > Cc: Hannes Tschofenig <Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com>; core@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [core] Endpoint Client Name / Endpoint Name in RD draft > > On Mon, Apr 09, 2018 at 10:04:07AM +0200, peter van der Stok wrote: > > > I am curious what we lose if we remove this identifier altogether. > > > The only thing that comes to my mind is a debugging capability where > > > you might want to test your system without any security protocol. > > > > Probably, I completely misunderstand your suggestion. > > Registrations in the RD need identification so that they can be > > changed, removed , updated, etc... > > Well, the manipulation (change, removal, update) already happens > independently of the endpoint name or domain; that is just bound to the > registration resource. > > In the current text, we allow that the endpoint name is not given at > registration time if it is explicitly configured and the RD can recognize the > endpoint by its security context. > > > Registrations are identified by the (ep, d) pair, unique within a given RD. > > Removing ep identifier will force you to find another identifier for a > > registration......... > > and you are back to square 1 it seems. > > In any authenticated context, that can identifier can be the security context. > How that can be expressed at lookup is an open question. > An endpoint name string can be what glues those together. > > On Mon, Apr 09, 2018 at 10:14:54AM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: > > The argument seems to be that if a client holds an authorization to > > register at an RD, that authorization may imply a specific endpoint > > name. (I’m not sure that is always true, as the authorization may be > > based on a claim that does not happen to provide an obvious candidate > > for that.) > > > > To discuss this further, we’ll need to discuss authorization models > > for RD access. Maybe high time in any case… > > > Could everybody maybe sketch how they'd express the permissions they > would like to set on their RDs? > > > I'll start with some arbitrary ones that might be useful (at least with some > help from Cunningham's Law): > > TrustTheWebCAs: "This RD accepts any registration, provided who registers > can present a X509 certificate chain to my system certificates that carries a > Common Name or Subject Alternative Name that matches the host name > they give in their con". TrustTheWebCAs + GodBit: This RD accepts any registration, provided who registers can present an X509 certificate chain to my system certificates that carries a common or alternative name (or maybe an EKU) that matches to the God criteria. > > RequireEKU: "Like TrustTheWebCAs, and if it wants to set an endpoint type > (et=), that must be justified by an Extended Key Usage in the certificate." I would probably generalize this rule to - The RD may extract additional information from the certificate beyond the naming to either enforce or supplement attributes set such as endpoint types or domains. > > EPFromACE: "This RD uses /reg/${domain}/${endpoint} as registration URIs. > An endpoint can only register if it holds an ACE-AIF token to POST to that > resource issued by my Authorization Server (AS)." EPFromACE2: This RD uses /reg?ep=${endpoint}&d=${domain} as registration URIs. An endpoint can only register if it holds an ACE-AIF token to POST to that resource issued by my Authorization Server (AS). The token may contain values for fields in the URI-queries which are to be either enforced, or set if not present in the registration request. Examples are ep, d, et. > > PNFromACE: "This RD allows registration of arbitrary endpoints, but > advertising an at=... (registration) or ol=... (link) attribute (see > core-protocol-negotiation) requires that that value is contained in an ACE > token from my AS." RSFromACE: This RD allows registration of endpoints, but restricts the resources that can be registered. All resources registered must be filtered by matching one of a number of patterns potentially with values that can be defaulted in. Jim > > > Best regards > Christian > > -- > To use raw power is to make yourself infinitely vulnerable to greater powers. > -- Bene Gesserit axiom
- [core] Endpoint Client Name / Endpoint Name in RD… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [core] Endpoint Client Name / Endpoint Name i… Jaime Jiménez
- Re: [core] Endpoint Client Name / Endpoint Name i… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [core] Endpoint Client Name / Endpoint Name i… Jim Schaad
- Re: [core] Endpoint Client Name / Endpoint Name i… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [core] Endpoint Client Name / Endpoint Name i… Jaime Jiménez
- Re: [core] Endpoint Client Name / Endpoint Name i… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [core] Endpoint Client Name / Endpoint Name i… Jim Schaad
- Re: [core] Endpoint Client Name / Endpoint Name i… peter van der Stok
- Re: [core] Endpoint Client Name / Endpoint Name i… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [core] Endpoint Client Name / Endpoint Name i… Christian Amsüss
- Re: [core] Endpoint Client Name / Endpoint Name i… Jim Schaad
- Re: [core] Endpoint Client Name / Endpoint Name i… Kovatsch, Matthias
- Re: [core] Endpoint Client Name / Endpoint Name i… Jim Schaad
- Re: [core] Endpoint Client Name / Endpoint Name i… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [core] Endpoint Client Name / Endpoint Name i… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [core] Endpoint Client Name / Endpoint Name i… Kovatsch, Matthias
- Re: [core] Endpoint Client Name / Endpoint Name i… peter van der Stok
- Re: [core] Endpoint Client Name / Endpoint Name i… peter van der Stok
- Re: [core] Endpoint Client Name / Endpoint Name i… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [core] Endpoint Client Name / Endpoint Name i… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [core] Endpoint Client Name / Endpoint Name i… peter van der Stok
- Re: [core] Endpoint Client Name / Endpoint Name i… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [core] Endpoint Client Name / Endpoint Name i… Kovatsch, Matthias
- Re: [core] Endpoint Client Name / Endpoint Name i… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [core] Endpoint Client Name / Endpoint Name i… peter van der Stok
- Re: [core] Endpoint Client Name / Endpoint Name i… Hannes Tschofenig