Re: [Cose] Key management for MACs (was Re: Review of draft-schaad-cose-msg-01)

Brian Campbell <bcampbell@pingidentity.com> Fri, 10 July 2015 22:37 UTC

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From: Brian Campbell <bcampbell@pingidentity.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 16:36:53 -0600
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Subject: Re: [Cose] Key management for MACs (was Re: Review of draft-schaad-cose-msg-01)
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On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Jim Schaad <ietf@augustcellars.com> wrote:

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> *From:* Brian Campbell [mailto:bcampbell@pingidentity.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, July 10, 2015 3:07 PM
> *To:* Jim Schaad
> *Cc:* Ilari Liusvaara; cose@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Cose] Key management for MACs (was Re: Review of
> draft-schaad-cose-msg-01)
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> And my question was about ephemeral-static DH and RSA-OAEP (both of which
> are used in the MAC example at
> https://cose-wg.github.io/cose-spec/#rfc.appendix.C.1.4) . Without the
> statement of origin, I don't see what value there is?
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> It would be static-static DH not ES DH.  Otherwise – yes it is the same as
> RSA
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So back to what I was originally saying - that RSA and the same as RSA are
the key management modes that I'm suggesting not be used for MAC.