Re: [dane] namespace management, DANE Client Authentication draft updated
"John Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> Thu, 14 January 2016 01:02 UTC
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Subject: Re: [dane] namespace management, DANE Client Authentication draft updated
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>Because the client prefix-label a service *name*, so so the port >collision issue goes away. We should not cargo-cult designs, >the rationale has to carry over logically, and false analogies >need to be avoided. One man's cargo cult is another man's namespace management. Every existing use of _<service> names is behind a _<proto> name, and there seems to me considerable merit to keep it that way, at the trivial cost of a possibly uninteresting _tcp or _udp in the name. If the extra five bytes is an issue, I suppose we could use _c rather than _client for the client tag. While saving five characters was a big deal when I was programming PDP-8's almost 50 years ago, I don't get it now. R's, John
- [dane] DANE Client Authentication draft updated Shumon Huque
- Re: [dane] DANE Client Authentication draft updat… James Cloos
- Re: [dane] DANE Client Authentication draft updat… Shumon Huque
- Re: [dane] DANE Client Authentication draft updat… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [dane] DANE Client Authentication draft updat… John Levine
- Re: [dane] DANE Client Authentication draft updat… Shumon Huque
- Re: [dane] DANE Client Authentication draft updat… Shumon Huque
- Re: [dane] DANE Client Authentication draft updat… Kim Alvefur
- Re: [dane] DANE Client Authentication draft updat… Shumon Huque
- Re: [dane] namespace management, DANE Client Auth… John R Levine
- Re: [dane] namespace management, DANE Client Auth… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [dane] namespace management, DANE Client Auth… Shumon Huque
- Re: [dane] namespace management, DANE Client Auth… John Levine
- Re: [dane] namespace management, DANE Client Auth… John Levine
- Re: [dane] namespace management, DANE Client Auth… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [dane] DANE Client Authentication draft updat… John Levine
- Re: [dane] namespace management, DANE Client Auth… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [dane] namespace management, DANE Client Auth… John Levine
- Re: [dane] namespace management, DANE Client Auth… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [dane] namespace management, DANE Client Auth… Wiley, Glen
- Re: [dane] namespace management, DANE Client Auth… John Levine
- Re: [dane] namespace management, DANE Client Auth… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [dane] namespace management, DANE Client Auth… John Levine
- Re: [dane] namespace management, DANE Client Auth… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [dane] namespace management, DANE Client Auth… John Levine
- Re: [dane] namespace management, DANE Client Auth… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [dane] namespace management, DANE Client Auth… John Levine
- Re: [dane] namespace management, DANE Client Auth… Sandoche Balakrichenan
- Re: [dane] namespace management, DANE Client Auth… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [dane] namespace management, DANE Client Auth… Shumon Huque