Re: [dane] DANE Client Authentication draft updated

Shumon Huque <shuque@gmail.com> Wed, 13 January 2016 01:47 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dane] DANE Client Authentication draft updated
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On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 6:32 PM, Viktor Dukhovni <ietf-dane@dukhovni.org>
wrote:

>
> > On Jan 12, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Shumon Huque <shuque@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On the "_smtp-client" label choice, I had originally used just "_smtp",
> but
> > a colleague more plugged into IANA service name registration procedures
> > advised me that I should choose a different client specific label. The
> > "_smtp" label is a server side label with an associated server side port,
> > and that reusing that label for a client identifier would elicit
> objections.
> >
>
> The reason I talked you out of it, is that I wanted the query-domain for
> client TLSA records to be the same as the SRV-ID.  Injecting a sub-domain
> makes it more difficult to use the names in question if SRV-ID is
> what's in the certificate.
>
> Using the SRV-ID as the query domains is not an absolute requirement, but
> it is a simplification that should not be discard too lightly.  Trade-off
> judgement call...
>

Ah yes, thanks for reminding me. I agree this is a useful rationale for
keeping
the form the way that it is.

-- 
Shumon Huque