Re: [dhcwg] more thoughts about draft-ietf-dhc-sedhcpv6-02.txt

Francis Dupont <Francis.Dupont@fdupont.fr> Thu, 26 June 2014 16:30 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dhcwg] more thoughts about draft-ietf-dhc-sedhcpv6-02.txt
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 In your previous mail you wrote:

>  > => to make timestamps more efficient for security you have to allow only
>  > small drift, so a pre-synchronization procedure should help to solve
>  > the unsecure/large vs secure/hard-to-implement drift. 
>  To me it seems that a pre-synchronisation procedure is a great help for
>  intruders?

=> I can't see why you say that or do you mean timestamps have another
role than anti-replay?

>  Now you can make sure the target is in time sync with the attack just by
>  synchronising with it first, really opens the window for attacks.

=> which attacks? messages are signed so a synchronized attacker has
no advantages...

Regards

Francis.Dupont@fdupont.fr