Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stable-privacy-addresses -> abandon work? / IA_NA applicability
Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> Fri, 10 April 2015 19:02 UTC
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Subject: Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stable-privacy-addresses -> abandon work? / IA_NA applicability
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On 04/09/2015 08:20 PM, Lorenzo Colitti wrote: > On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 4:34 AM, Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com > <mailto:fgont@si6networks.com>> wrote: > > > This concept is flawed if the servers aren't cooperating. If there > > are multiple servers that don't share lease data, how does server 1 > > know whether the lease was leased to another client or renewed, if > > server 2 ends up communicating with the client? > > Usually, you need servers to communicate because there's no way to tell > which address each server may have assigned to which client. But that's > not the case with this method. > > > It is still the case even with this method, because the servers need to > agree on the value of the counter variable. The Counter value is there for completeness sake. Me, I don't expecThe assumption is that thanks to the huge address space, you want hit collisions. In order for this scheme to not result in address stability, two things must happen: 1) There address collisions -- considered extremely unlikely, and, 2) Clines employ different DHCPv6 servers (failover scenario), and, 2) The two nodes that bootstrap do so in a different order (otherwise, they will still be leased the same addresses). I'd say that a DHCPv6 servers is free to store the Counter value for each lease, if they please. But it's not worth it to synchronize it. -- the assumption in this scheme is that the address space for the local subnet is so large that you will not find collisions. If you, we could rename the I-D as "probabilistically stable" -- but I hope that's not needed. Thanks, -- Fernando Gont SI6 Networks e-mail: fgont@si6networks.com PGP Fingerprint: 6666 31C6 D484 63B2 8FB1 E3C4 AE25 0D55 1D4E 7492
- [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stable-pr… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Fernando Gont
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Fernando Gont
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Fernando Gont
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Fernando Gont
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Fernando Gont
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Fernando Gont
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… 神明達哉
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Fernando Gont
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Fernando Gont
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Fernando Gont
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Fernando Gont
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Fernando Gont
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Christian Huitema
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Fernando Gont
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Fernando Gont
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Fernando Gont
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… 神明達哉
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Fernando Gont
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Fernando Gont
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Fernando Gont
- Re: [dhcwg] Next step(s) for draft-ietf-dhc-stabl… Fernando Gont