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Jim Forster <jim.forster@rangenetworks.com> Thu, 13 February 2014 14:40 UTC

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From: Jim Forster <jim.forster@rangenetworks.com>
To: "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" <keith.drage@alcatel-lucent.com>
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Keith,

I fully well understand the difficulties of large companies and their IT departments and policies, and I agree about the desirability of clearly identifying affiliations.

Still, I would ask for some positive affirmation, ideally from your corporate legal department (:-)), or at least from the WG chairs, that Ericksson's policy, as referenced in your message, is conformant to the IETF policies, or null and void somehow. 

Personally, I can take your word in good faith, but procedurally I would think some more formalism is appropriate for the WG group and IETF.

Sigh...Thanks,

 -- Jim

PS: Your recent message doesn't have the worrisome statement.  Phew!  I was going ask how can you guys communicate when everything you say is supposed to be confidential :-)

On Feb 13, 2014, at 9:27 PM, DRAGE, Keith (Keith) <keith.drage@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:

> While these signature lines are undesirable, and some people don't have any choice in having them there, apart from using a non-company email address. I personally prefer that people participating on behalf of their company use the company email address. In any case, please note the following:
> 
> 1)	If it is Ivo's mail you are referring to, then it does not forbid replying. Further it states "unauthorised" (see 2 below). You are a member of the WG and it is addressed to the WG.
> 
> 2)	A long time ago I raised this issue on the WG chairs list, and the answer I was given was that the contract you make (the Note well) when you sign up to the mailing list overrides all such statements.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Keith
> 
> 
> 
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>> Subject: [dispatch] Email ettiquette
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>> If ( hypothetically ) an email were to be sent to this list 
>> containing a disclaimer expressly forbidding a reply or 
>> disclosure, would it be concidered impolite to ignore it?
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